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Arrrgggggghhh!!!!! First Woden now you!!! Whhhhyyyyyyyy??!!! (1621)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 15, 1997 at 00:34:00 PDT
in reply to META: Board Announcements (1619), posted by David Medinnus on August 14, 1997 at 22:21:16 PDT

> Hiya.

> Earlier this evening the owner and sysadmin of Sigma.Net shut down the chat area because of a singular lack of co-operation and (no lack) of abusive language (directed at him).

> As for the content of THIS board...I go away to Microsoft for one day, and everything goes to hell.

> So...by the end of the month I am going to cease moderating this board; I agree with the comments about the purile nature of many of the posts (which seems to be an endemic thing across all of the boards). The Cap board may or may not go away; that's for Alvaro to decide.

> I will be building a semi-private message board and java-based chat room for the Star-Spangled Site, which will require registration; all are welcome. However, if/when certain people using the facilities become abusive, I will delete their priviledges; end of problem.

> Please bear with us until then.

> Thanx!

Gaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! Listen, David!!! If your departing had anything to do with me I promise that I'll never visit the Cap board ever again!!! C'mon!!! I wasn't thinking right when I insulted the insulter!!! I don't even contribute that much to this place!! And what was wrong with Sigma??? Is it getting too full?? Because I've been getting plenty of server errors when I tried to respond to posts over at the SMB and the MUB!!! If you're leaving no matter what I nominate Batroc the Leaper or Rob as Moderator!! Just say the word, Dave and I'm outtie!


Cya
The Plaid Skull


Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

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Re: Arrrgggggghhh!!!!! First Woden now you!!! Whhhhyyyyyyyy??!!! (1622)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 15, 1997 at 01:12:35 PDT
in reply to Arrrgggggghhh!!!!! First Woden now you!!! Whhhhyyyyyyyy??!!! (1621), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 15, 1997 at 00:34:00 PDT

> > Hiya.

> > Earlier this evening the owner and sysadmin of Sigma.Net shut down the chat area because of a singular lack of co-operation and (no lack) of abusive language (directed at him).

> > As for the content of THIS board...I go away to Microsoft for one day, and everything goes to hell.

> > So...by the end of the month I am going to cease moderating this board; I agree with the comments about the purile nature of many of the posts (which seems to be an endemic thing across all of the boards). The Cap board may or may not go away; that's for Alvaro to decide.

> > I will be building a semi-private message board and java-based chat room for the Star-Spangled Site, which will require registration; all are welcome. However, if/when certain people using the facilities become abusive, I will delete their priviledges; end of problem.

> > Please bear with us until then.

> > Thanx!

> Gaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! Listen, David!!! If your departing had anything to do with me I promise that I'll never visit the Cap board ever again!!! C'mon!!! I wasn't thinking right when I insulted the insulter!!! I don't even contribute that much to this place!! And what was wrong with Sigma??? Is it getting too full?? Because I've been getting plenty of server errors when I tried to respond to posts over at the SMB and the MUB!!! If you're leaving no matter what I nominate Batroc the Leaper or Rob as Moderator!! Just say the word, Dave and I'm outtie!


>
> Cya
> The Plaid Skull

>
> Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

Oh, BTW to make this Cap related I was just watching Conan O'brien and Joel, the announcer said that he ordered a Captain America decoder ring when he was a kid but his father melted it down! My question is: Does any one know if Cap actually had a decoder ring???

Cya
The Plaid Skull

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The Man from Plaid (1623)

Posted by Batroc on August 15, 1997 at 04:26:25 PDT
in reply to Re: Batroc (1607), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 14, 1997 at 16:55:00 PDT

> > >>>>This board is at an intellectual low. There have been alot of deletions
> > but since I subscribe to the message board, I've probably perused all of the sophomoric posts.
> > I think bans are in order for a few people.
> > >>>Plaidy, as much as I have always respected your opinions and unique since of humor, I would not sling mud with the Beavis and Butthead crowd.
> > And not to sound like my mom, but you get on their level.
> > >>>>Dave M., you are one of the best moderators on the Sigma net, but Jack Meoff and Ivanna Pee
> > should get the boot from the board.
> > >>>>I like the board the way it has been in the past, good Cap discussions, good comic concepts, and good natured fun
> > between people who have come to know each other through the board.
> > Just my two cents,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Batroc the Leaper..
> Well, I apologize but I was sick and tired literally and not too happy since I had to rush to the bathroom every 5 seconds! I had a bad case of...the "runs"(ewww)and still do! And the last thing I wanted to read was an insult! I suppose I should've have left him alone or gave a more intelligent and witty response but if I said something intelligent the moron would've dismissed as "homo-talk"! Well, I already e-mailed Sam to ban this person! The last thing I want is this place to end up like JPruitt's board! This poster also caused a ruckus over at the chat room!

> Cya
> The Plaid Skull
>>>> I maintain my utmost respect for the man known only as "Plaid" to many. For that is the way of honor, the way of Batroc the Leaper

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Dave (1624)

Posted by Stonecold on August 15, 1997 at 08:15:39 PDT

I will take over ad montior of this board. Plus can I tell everyone that it was FA who say it is not over till I say it is over. He did it to make fun of Cap

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META:Re: Dave (1625)

Posted by David Medinnus on August 15, 1997 at 09:37:39 PDT
in reply to Dave (1624), posted by Stonecold on August 15, 1997 at 08:15:39 PDT

> I will take over ad montior of this board. Plus can I tell everyone that it was FA who say it is not over till I say it is over. He did it to make fun of Cap

Alvaro makes the decisions as to who moderates the board, and I will remain as moderator until the end of the month. Alvaro should be back next week, and he and I are planning to speak on a number of issues.

-DM

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Re: Requiring Registration (1626)

Posted by David Medinnus on August 15, 1997 at 09:45:57 PDT
in reply to Arrrgggggghhh!!!!! First Woden now you!!! Whhhhyyyyyyyy??!!! (1621), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 15, 1997 at 00:34:00 PDT


> Gaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! Listen, David!!! If your departing had anything to do with me I promise that I'll never visit the Cap board ever again!!!

Actually, I have a warm spot in my heart for your "I'm number 345,762! Any prize?" posts, and generally enjoy your banter.

> And what was wrong with Sigma???

Nothing's wrong with Sigma that another Sparc 20 wouldn't cure; but the web-based chat (as opposed to the Java-based chat) is VERY server-intensive, and enough users will slow the system down considerably. Which makes our paying customers a bit cranky...

> If you're leaving no matter what I nominate Batroc the Leaper or Rob as Moderator!! Just say the word, Dave and I'm outtie!

Please stay; I will be continuing as moderator at least until Alvaro gets back, when he and I and Don can discuss what to do about the problems.

BUT...let me point out that the new board is open to all; it will take minimal registration, and nobody will be turned away. The reason to require registration is so that abusive jerks who spam off-topic obscenities can be banned while being able to continue running the boards.


> Cya
> The Plaid Skull

>
> Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!


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Fighting America and Captain America teamup (1627)

Posted by Ahent America/ Fighting America on August 15, 1997 at 10:11:06 PDT

Okay how about this happen it will be a 4 part crossover part one takes place in the 40 with captain america first oringinal custrom and fighting America first one to. Writer will be the first writer for both Joe and drawing by some silver age artist. Part two writting by Stan lee
and anther silver age artist taking place in the silver age. Part 3 writting by alan moore and drawing by rob. it will be heroes reborn cap and new fighting america. part 4 by heroes return creative team with heroes return cap and same fighting america. Okay villins part one and two will be red skull and Zemo and one of the oringinal fighting america. part 3 read and iron skull. part four the crossbone and some other fighting america villin. It will never happenbut I think this would be cool. It will not be fan fiction just a stroyline. Maybe if marvel and awesome read these board they might do it.

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xap one and cable 50 (1628)

Posted by Agent America/ Fighting America on August 15, 1997 at 10:12:31 PDT

In captain america one he will be in japan fighting lady deathstrike. Plus union jack will be in cable 50

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Re: cap one and cable 50 (1629)

Posted by stonecold on August 15, 1997 at 10:14:34 PDT
in reply to xap one and cable 50 (1628), posted by Agent America/ Fighting America on August 15, 1997 at 10:12:31 PDT

> In captain america one he will be in japan fighting lady deathstrike. Plus union jack will be in cable 50

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Early Board Registration (1630)

Posted by David Medinnus on August 15, 1997 at 11:29:30 PDT

I have cobbled together the registration form for the forthcoming protected board; people wishing to get a jump can sign up now!

http://www.sigma.net/capt_am/board_reg.html

-DM

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More Bad News, folks!*SPOILERS SORTA* (1631)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 15, 1997 at 12:12:52 PDT

Well, Venom beat me to the punch in breaking into Mania's preview for November but I still went there and guess what? They're only putting out Cap#1!!! No continuation of the old numbering! He just came back and Cap goes straight to Japan! Wolvie and Lady Deathstrike guest star! Here's the link so you can see it for yourself!

Cya
The Plaid Skull

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I beat you both read my poat about cap 1 and cable 50 no text (1632)

Posted by stonecold on August 15, 1997 at 12:27:35 PDT
in reply to More Bad News, folks!*SPOILERS SORTA* (1631), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 15, 1997 at 12:12:52 PDT


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Re: Arrrgggggghhh!!!!! First Woden now you!!! Whhhhyyyyyyyy??!!! (1633)

Posted by Roscoe on August 15, 1997 at 17:48:08 PDT
in reply to Re: Arrrgggggghhh!!!!! First Woden now you!!! Whhhhyyyyyyyy??!!! (1622), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 15, 1997 at 01:12:35 PDT

> > > Hiya.

> > > Earlier this evening the owner and sysadmin of Sigma.Net shut down the chat area because of a singular lack of co-operation and (no lack) of abusive language (directed at him).

> > > As for the content of THIS board...I go away to Microsoft for one day, and everything goes to hell.

> > > So...by the end of the month I am going to cease moderating this board; I agree with the comments about the purile nature of many of the posts (which seems to be an endemic thing across all of the boards). The Cap board may or may not go away; that's for Alvaro to decide.

> > > I will be building a semi-private message board and java-based chat room for the Star-Spangled Site, which will require registration; all are welcome. However, if/when certain people using the facilities become abusive, I will delete their priviledges; end of problem.

> > > Please bear with us until then.

> > > Thanx!

> > Gaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! Listen, David!!! If your departing had anything to do with me I promise that I'll never visit the Cap board ever again!!! C'mon!!! I wasn't thinking right when I insulted the insulter!!! I don't even contribute that much to this place!! And what was wrong with Sigma??? Is it getting too full?? Because I've been getting plenty of server errors when I tried to respond to posts over at the SMB and the MUB!!! If you're leaving no matter what I nominate Batroc the Leaper or Rob as Moderator!! Just say the word, Dave and I'm outtie!

>
> >
> > Cya
> > The Plaid Skull

> >
> > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

> Oh, BTW to make this Cap related I was just watching Conan O'brien and Joel, the announcer said that he ordered a Captain America decoder ring when he was a kid but his father melted it down! My question is: Does any one know if Cap actually had a decoder ring???


> Cya
> The Plaid Skull

I don't know about decoder, but I've seen pictures of old Cap rings from the 40's.

-Roscoe

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Waid & Garney SUCK ! (1634)

Posted by Jamie on August 16, 1997 at 01:12:55 PDT

Made ya look .

Jamie

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Getting old really fast. (1635)

Posted by Patriot on August 16, 1997 at 08:56:25 PDT
in reply to Waid & Garney SUCK ! (1634), posted by Jamie on August 16, 1997 at 01:12:55 PDT


> Made ya look .

> Jamie

I've also seen your messages on T-bolts and Avengers. Don't you think it's time to give it a rest?

A Patriot in search of meaningful posts.

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non dc non marvel message board (1636)

Posted by stonecold on August 16, 1997 at 10:07:26 PDT

How about this board/=.

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David Medinnus, let me fight for the weak ! (1637)

Posted by Fighting American on August 16, 1997 at 12:13:50 PDT

You can erase messages discussing Fighting American all you want .
That won't stop my followers !

A man who doesn't appreciate a patriotic American such as I, doesn't
deserve to step foot on my country .

I shall stand up for those who are afraid, speak for those who can't, and
fight for the weak !

It's not over until I say it's over !

* Fighting American *

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Re: David Medinnus, let me fight for the weak ! (1638)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 16, 1997 at 12:19:25 PDT
in reply to David Medinnus, let me fight for the weak ! (1637), posted by Fighting American on August 16, 1997 at 12:13:50 PDT

> You can erase messages discussing Fighting American all you want .
> That won't stop my followers !

> A man who doesn't appreciate a patriotic American such as I, doesn't
> deserve to step foot on my country .

> I shall stand up for those who are afraid, speak for those who can't, and
> fight for the weak !

> It's not over until I say it's over !

> * Fighting American *

Well, he can send a request to ban you to Sam, the temporary Main Moderator for posting off-topic messages all the time! That'll sure stop you and your imaginary followers!

Cya
The Plaid Skull


Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

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Fighting American/Captain America team-up (1639)

Posted by Jamie on August 16, 1997 at 12:21:34 PDT
in reply to Fighting America and Captain America teamup (1627), posted by Ahent America/ Fighting America on August 15, 1997 at 10:11:06 PDT

No, no . How about this ?

1.) Written by Rob Liefeld and Jeph Loeb

2.) Drawn by Rob Liefeld and Jon Sibal

3.) Villians Red Skull and Metal Skull

3.) Fighting American in his new costume

4.) Captain America in his Heroes Reborn costume

What do you say, stonecold, fighting america, Fighting America,
agent america/fighting america, Agent America/Fighting America,
re-gex, ect. ?

Jamie

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Re: Fighting American/Captain America team-up (1640)

Posted by Agent America on August 16, 1997 at 12:44:24 PDT
in reply to Fighting American/Captain America team-up (1639), posted by Jamie on August 16, 1997 at 12:21:34 PDT

Do you mean Iron skull. Yes and a buckey and spice team up

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Me (1641)

Posted by Captain America on August 16, 1997 at 12:58:00 PDT

I use to like me but now I do not. I willlike me in November. I like me in 1-5. If you want to see a cool me buy fighting America. I love him he is alot better then me

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Re : Me (1642)

Posted by Fighting American on August 16, 1997 at 14:02:04 PDT
in reply to Me (1641), posted by Captain America on August 16, 1997 at 12:58:00 PDT

Excuse me, but I somehow doubt that you are the original Captain America
of this message board .

The Captain America I remember disliked Rob Liefeld more than I dislike
Ron Marz and John Cleary .

Even though I may have not agreed to what he said, I shall fight for him !
You also sound very much like Agent America .

I have no proof, but I am very sure what I said is true and I will fight for
him !

It's not over untill I say it's over !

* Fighting American *


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To : Agent America (1643)

Posted by Fighting American on August 16, 1997 at 14:34:42 PDT

Hello, my friend . I read your response about the Fighting American/Captain
America team-up and you were right . A Spice/Bucky team-up would
indeed be an enjoyable read included in the FA/ CA mini-series .
There are many ways for Rob Liefeld to accomplish a great
stories, but may I suggest it be an action-packed issue .

I have more suggestions for this mini-series . It should be a four-parter,
one issue per month . The opening page should feature Captain and I
jump-attacking Red Skull's and Iron Skull's Nazi troops . Then later in
the story issue # 1, Spice and Bucky should appear together spying
in the Iron Skull's and Red Skull's hideout . The second issue should
revolve around the two Skull's evil plans .

The third issue, we should see much action leading to the surprising
last page . Iron Skull and Red Skull are about to kill Captain and I
due to the steel chains that cover us like mummies . Issue # 4, the
final issue of the mini-series is where Bucky saves me and Spice
saves Captain . Then all four of us defeat Iron and Red Skull's
armies and them next .

Remember Captain would be in his old Heroes Reborn costume
featuring that little eagle on his head . I, of course, would be wearing
my current Fighting American costume . This is mostly because
Rob Liefeld created both costumes and both costumes are my
favorite costumes for Captian and I .

Writers : Jeph Leb and Rob Lefeld . Artists : Rob Liefeld and Jon Sibal .
Colorist : Andy Troy . Letterers : Richard Starkings and David Comicraft .
Superheroes : Fighting American, Captian America, Spice, and Bucky .
Villians : Red Skull, Iron Skull, and their armies .
Supporting Characters : None .
Title : Fighting American/Captain America .
Universe : Awesome Entertainment .

Agent America, I would like your response, your opinion, and your choice
of which universe this crossover should be in, what story you would have
set up, and which artists you would like to see draw this . Thank you .

It's not over until I say it's over !

* Fighting American *

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Re: To : Agent America (1644)

Posted by Agent America on August 16, 1997 at 14:42:59 PDT
in reply to To : Agent America (1643), posted by Fighting American on August 16, 1997 at 14:34:42 PDT

> Hello, my friend . I read your response about the Fighting American/Captain
> America team-up and you were right . A Spice/Bucky team-up would
> indeed be an enjoyable read included in the FA/ CA mini-series .
> There are many ways for Rob Liefeld to accomplish a great
> stories, but may I suggest it be an action-packed issue .

> I have more suggestions for this mini-series . It should be a four-parter,
> one issue per month . The opening page should feature Captain and I
> jump-attacking Red Skull's and Iron Skull's Nazi troops . Then later in
> the story issue # 1, Spice and Bucky should appear together spying
> in the Iron Skull's and Red Skull's hideout . The second issue should
> revolve around the two Skull's evil plans .

> The third issue, we should see much action leading to the surprising
> last page . Iron Skull and Red Skull are about to kill Captain and I
> due to the steel chains that cover us like mummies . Issue # 4, the
> final issue of the mini-series is where Bucky saves me and Spice
> saves Captain . Then all four of us defeat Iron and Red Skull's
> armies and them next .

> Remember Captain would be in his old Heroes Reborn costume
> featuring that little eagle on his head . I, of course, would be wearing
> my current Fighting American costume . This is mostly because
> Rob Liefeld created both costumes and both costumes are my
> favorite costumes for Captian and I .

> Writers : Jeph Leb and Rob Lefeld . Artists : Rob Liefeld and Jon Sibal .
> Colorist : Andy Troy . Letterers : Richard Starkings and David Comicraft .
> Superheroes : Fighting American, Captian America, Spice, and Bucky .
> Villians : Red Skull, Iron Skull, and their armies .
> Supporting Characters : None .
> Title : Fighting American/Captain America .
> Universe : Awesome Entertainment .

> Agent America, I would like your response, your opinion, and your choice
> of which universe this crossover should be in, what story you would have
> set up, and which artists you would like to see draw this . Thank you .

> It's not over until I say it's over !

> * Fighting American *

Yes this would be so cool

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it was me (1645)

Posted by agent america on August 16, 1997 at 14:44:26 PDT
in reply to Re : Me (1642), posted by Fighting American on August 16, 1997 at 14:02:04 PDT

> Excuse me, but I somehow doubt that you are the original Captain America
> of this message board .

> The Captain America I remember disliked Rob Liefeld more than I dislike
> Ron Marz and John Cleary .

> Even though I may have not agreed to what he said, I shall fight for him !
> You also sound very much like Agent America .

> I have no proof, but I am very sure what I said is true and I will fight for
> him !

> It's not over untill I say it's over !

> * Fighting American *
Yes it was
>


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Losing my composure (1646)

Posted by Batroc on August 16, 1997 at 16:08:09 PDT
in reply to Re: David Medinnus, let me fight for the weak ! (1638), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 16, 1997 at 12:19:25 PDT

> > You can erase messages discussing Fighting American all you want .
> > That won't stop my followers !
> > A man who doesn't appreciate a patriotic American such as I, doesn't
> > deserve to step foot on my country .
> > I shall stand up for those who are afraid, speak for those who can't, and
> > fight for the weak !
> > It's not over until I say it's over !
> > * Fighting American *
> Well, he can send a request to ban you to Sam, the temporary Main Moderator for posting off-topic messages all the time! That'll sure stop you and your imaginary followers!
> Cya
> The Plaid Skull
> Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!
>>>Hey, I got an idea...why don't you go to the Fighting American board. Wait,....there isn't one because not enough people care.
If you don't have anything relating to CAPTAIN AMERICA, then DON'T POST HERE. BTL

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Agent America, let us talk patrioticly . (1647)

Posted by Fighting American on August 16, 1997 at 16:44:30 PDT

I am sorry for being rude to you by saying learn to spell and use punctuation .
Since I am a major fan of Rob Liefeld myself, how about we be friends ?
I can pretty much tell that we are the only fans of Liefeld so we should
discuss our likes and dislikes in comic books .

Since we can no longer talk in the Chat Room, we must post messages
and e-mail each other instead . Right now I am quite curious of two things .
One, what is your e-mail address ? And two, what is it you like more
about Liefeld's Captain ? His stories or his art on him ?

Me, I liked his tricky stories on Captain, but his art was even more
appealing . I think that he has since drawn me better . Let us talk
like patriots, no swearing, no crude language, and we shall
talk like true gentlemen - discuss things intelligently .

It's not over until I say it's over !

* Fighting American *

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Enough is enough!!! (1648)

Posted by Night Hawk on August 16, 1997 at 17:35:43 PDT

Okay for the record I am the new guy on the block. However, the reason that I joined this board was to engage in interesting and thoughtful discussions regarding Captain America. Of late the only topic that people seem to be discussing is whether they like or hate Rob Liefield. Yes he worked on Captain America, but he is gone now so get over it! Unless you are comparing Liefield's artwork or storylines dealing with Captain America to another writer/artist who is currently working, or has worked on Captain America then don't post here. This is not the I love/hate Liefield board. Nor is it the Fighting American board. Furthermore, and this comment is directed towards Jamie unless you can come up with a better discussion than "Waid & Garney SUCK!...Made you look!" I would remind you of a rather famous quote from Mark Twain "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt." If you think that Waid and Garney suck that is fine, but at least back up such a statement with some form of proof that can be debated with the group.
I am sorry if this statement has offended anyone, but I felt that it had to be said. I also hope that we will be able to get back to interesting discussions regarding Cap.

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Re: Enough is enough!!! (1649)

Posted by Sledge on August 16, 1997 at 18:11:58 PDT
in reply to Enough is enough!!! (1648), posted by Night Hawk on August 16, 1997 at 17:35:43 PDT

> Okay for the record I am the new guy on the block. However, the reason that I joined this board was to engage in interesting and thoughtful discussions regarding Captain America. Of late the only topic that people seem to be discussing is whether they like or hate Rob Liefield. Yes he worked on Captain America, but he is gone now so get over it! Unless you are comparing Liefield's artwork or storylines dealing with Captain America to another writer/artist who is currently working, or has worked on Captain America then don't post here. This is not the I love/hate Liefield board. Nor is it the Fighting American board. Furthermore, and this comment is directed towards Jamie unless you can come up with a better discussion than "Waid & Garney SUCK!...Made you look!" I would remind you of a rather famous quote from Mark Twain "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt." If you think that Waid and Garney suck that is fine, but at least back up such a statement with some form of proof that can be debated with the group.
> I am sorry if this statement has offended anyone, but I felt that it had to be said. I also hope that we will be able to get back to interesting discussions regarding Cap.

I came to post a similar message. Again. It appears Night Hawk has beat me to it. I guess I'll just say ditto.

Bonus points for the Mark Twain quote. Little known Sledge trivia for ya, I once played Mark Twain on stage.

-=Sledge=-

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Captain America Vol 3 #1 (mild spoilers) (1650)

Posted by Sledge on August 16, 1997 at 18:19:44 PDT

According to the November comics listing at Mania, Waid & Garney have decided to kick off the new series in Japan of all places. Cap will be fighting against a terrorist group that fears the Westernization of their land. Of course, being Mr. Red/White/Blue himself will make things a little rougher trying to take these people down.

What does everyone think about this? The first issue, not the fact that a real discussion is trying to be started.

-=Sledge=-

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Losing composure? I've already lost it. (1651)

Posted by Roscoe on August 16, 1997 at 19:19:23 PDT


I don't want to make it seem as though this is an old guard vs. new guard posting thing, because it isn't. I hope a billion people come and post on the Cap board. But I think I speak for most everyone who has been on this board for a long period of time when I say: SHUT UP.

I am sick of reading crap about Agent America and Fighting American. I don't want to read anything about Rob Liefield. I don't want people talking about Uncle Sam, Private Strong or the Shield. At one point I appreciated comparisons, historical analysis, whatever. But at this point, I couldn't care less. I want to read and discuss posts about Captain America and if I see anymore of this crap I'm going to really go ballistic and start wearing an Armor Cap suit and I'm going to crush your face.

-Roscoe

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Re: Agent America, let us talk patrioticly . (1652)

Posted by Fixer on August 16, 1997 at 19:19:39 PDT
in reply to Agent America, let us talk patrioticly . (1647), posted by Fighting American on August 16, 1997 at 16:44:30 PDT


> It's not over until I say it's over !

Why do you put a space before the exclamation point?

--Fixer
hey, it's bugging me!

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Re: Agent America, let us talk patrioticly . (1653)

Posted by Fixer on August 16, 1997 at 19:20:40 PDT
in reply to Agent America, let us talk patrioticly . (1647), posted by Fighting American on August 16, 1997 at 16:44:30 PDT


> It's not over until I say it's over !

Why do you put a space before the exclamation point?

--Fixer
hey, it's bugging me!

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Re: Captain America Vol 3 #1 (mild spoilers) (1654)

Posted by Batroc on August 16, 1997 at 19:57:50 PDT
in reply to Captain America Vol 3 #1 (mild spoilers) (1650), posted by Sledge on August 16, 1997 at 18:19:44 PDT

> According to the November comics listing at Mania, Waid & Garney have decided to kick off the new series in Japan of all places. Cap will be fighting against a terrorist group that fears the Westernization of their land. Of course, being Mr. Red/White/Blue himself will make things a little rougher trying to take these people down.
> What does everyone think about this? The first issue, not the fact that a real discussion is trying to be started.
> -=Sledge=-
>>>> I can't believe it,,,a post about Cap. Thanks Sledge. Well, it is better than a new origin or old origin story.
I think we have all read a bunch of those. I guess I will just have to read it. I loved most of Waid's stuff but I did not enjoy his first story line "First Sign". However, I think he had some help with that one.
I am one of the guys who wanted to coninue the old numbering too. Batroc the Leaper

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Rats, no Chats!!! (1655)

Posted by Batroc on August 16, 1997 at 20:15:11 PDT

>>>As previously mentioned, the sigma chat room is shut down due to abuse.
I've asked Rob (Rimes) to find a new for the time being and I'm sure he will.
I really enjoyed the few times that the Cap fans met and discussed his goings on. Plaid, Albert, TJ, Patriot, and of course Rob have been a part of this in the past.
I'd like to try this again, if and when we find another chat spot, I'll let you know a time and a place.
I'll keep you posted........... Batroc Ze Lepair

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Re: Rats, no Chats!!! (1656)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 16, 1997 at 20:54:57 PDT
in reply to Rats, no Chats!!! (1655), posted by Batroc on August 16, 1997 at 20:15:11 PDT

> >>>As previously mentioned, the sigma chat room is shut down due to abuse.
> I've asked Rob (Rimes) to find a new for the time being and I'm sure he will.
> I really enjoyed the few times that the Cap fans met and discussed his goings on. Plaid, Albert, TJ, Patriot, and of course Rob have been a part of this in the past.
> I'd like to try this again, if and when we find another chat spot, I'll let you know a time and a place.
> I'll keep you posted........... Batroc Ze Lepair

Don't worry, I'm sure when Alvaro comes back next week the chat crisis will be solved!!


Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

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Re: Rats, no Chats!!! (1657)

Posted by Patriot on August 16, 1997 at 21:54:29 PDT
in reply to Re: Rats, no Chats!!! (1656), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 16, 1997 at 20:54:57 PDT


> > >>>As previously mentioned, the sigma chat room is shut down due to abuse.
> > I've asked Rob (Rimes) to find a new for the time being and I'm sure he will.
> > I really enjoyed the few times that the Cap fans met and discussed his goings on. Plaid, Albert, TJ, Patriot, and of course Rob have been a part of this in the past.
> > I'd like to try this again, if and when we find another chat spot, I'll let you know a time and a place.
> > I'll keep you posted........... Batroc Ze Lepair

> Don't worry, I'm sure when Alvaro comes back next week the chat crisis will be solved!!

>
> Cya
> The Plaid Skull
> Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

I'll be there with wings on when you find a place.

Patriot.

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November's Captain America # 1 (1658)

Posted by Fighting American on August 16, 1997 at 21:54:46 PDT

Captain America # 1 is an issue I am greatly looking foward to . Continuing
off of # 454 would be in a way, cheating . If you restart a series, you shouldn't
be able to cancel and then continue off of old continuity .

Of course, comic book companies can do anything they please, but they
are doing wisest in starting over in Heroes Return with an issue # 1 .
I assure you Marvel won't be doing this again to Fantastic Four, Avengers,
Iron Man, and Captain America for quite some time now .

Ron Garney's art is improving in Silver Surfer which I see but don't buy
in the comic shop . Mark Waid's Ka-Zar is impressing me greatly these
days and if he can make me buy a comic with a jungle character in it,
he is obviously going to do an excellent job on Captain .

It's not over until I say it's over !

* Fighting American *

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Re: Captain America Vol 3 #1 (mild spoilers) (1659)

Posted by Patriot on August 16, 1997 at 22:02:15 PDT
in reply to Re: Captain America Vol 3 #1 (mild spoilers) (1654), posted by Batroc on August 16, 1997 at 19:57:50 PDT


> > According to the November comics listing at Mania, Waid & Garney have decided to kick off the new series in Japan of all places. Cap will be fighting against a terrorist group that fears the Westernization of their land. Of course, being Mr. Red/White/Blue himself will make things a little rougher trying to take these people down.
> > What does everyone think about this? The first issue, not the fact that a real discussion is trying to be started.
> > -=Sledge=-
> >>>> I can't believe it,,,a post about Cap. Thanks Sledge. Well, it is better than a new origin or old origin story.
> I think we have all read a bunch of those. I guess I will just have to read it. I loved most of Waid's stuff but I did not enjoy his first story line "First Sign". However, I think he had some help with that one.
> I am one of the guys who wanted to coninue the old numbering too. Batroc the Leaper

I'll be very impressed if Waid can show that Cap is an international hero and not just an American one. He's respected all around the World not to mention Olympus as Waid depicted in Cap #444. I re-read all of Waid's Cap's last week cause I just can't wait!
BTW: Batroc, First Sign didn't come till 449. It wasn't Waid's first story arc.

Patriot.

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Jamie and any other awesome fans (1660)

Posted by stonecold on August 16, 1997 at 22:25:59 PDT
in reply to Agent America, let us talk patrioticly . (1647), posted by Fighting American on August 16, 1997 at 16:44:30 PDT

I am starting a awesome/savage dragon mailing list. I have 2 member so far

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Re: Rats, no Chats!!! (1661)

Posted by Albert B. Ching on August 16, 1997 at 22:49:10 PDT
in reply to Rats, no Chats!!! (1655), posted by Batroc on August 16, 1997 at 20:15:11 PDT

> >>>As previously mentioned, the sigma chat room is shut down due to abuse.
> I've asked Rob (Rimes) to find a new for the time being and I'm sure he will.
> I really enjoyed the few times that the Cap fans met and discussed his goings on. Plaid, Albert, TJ, Patriot, and of course Rob have been a part of this in the past.
> I'd like to try this again, if and when we find another chat spot, I'll let you know a time and a place.
> I'll keep you posted........... Batroc Ze Lepair
Yup. I miss the late-night chats between me, you, Plaidy and Rob. We'd probably be doing it right now! :( Alvaro'll be back soon, he'll fix things.
Albert

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Re: To : Agent America (1662)

Posted by Albert B. Ching on August 16, 1997 at 22:50:51 PDT
in reply to Re: To : Agent America (1644), posted by Agent America on August 16, 1997 at 14:42:59 PDT

> > Hello, my friend . I read your response about the Fighting American/Captain
> > America team-up and you were right . A Spice/Bucky team-up would
> > indeed be an enjoyable read included in the FA/ CA mini-series .
> > There are many ways for Rob Liefeld to accomplish a great
> > stories, but may I suggest it be an action-packed issue .
> > I have more suggestions for this mini-series . It should be a four-parter,
> > one issue per month . The opening page should feature Captain and I
> > jump-attacking Red Skull's and Iron Skull's Nazi troops . Then later in
> > the story issue # 1, Spice and Bucky should appear together spying
> > in the Iron Skull's and Red Skull's hideout . The second issue should
> > revolve around the two Skull's evil plans .
> > The third issue, we should see much action leading to the surprising
> > last page . Iron Skull and Red Skull are about to kill Captain and I
> > due to the steel chains that cover us like mummies . Issue # 4, the
> > final issue of the mini-series is where Bucky saves me and Spice
> > saves Captain . Then all four of us defeat Iron and Red Skull's
> > armies and them next .
> > Remember Captain would be in his old Heroes Reborn costume
> > featuring that little eagle on his head . I, of course, would be wearing
> > my current Fighting American costume . This is mostly because
> > Rob Liefeld created both costumes and both costumes are my
> > favorite costumes for Captian and I .
> > Writers : Jeph Leb and Rob Lefeld . Artists : Rob Liefeld and Jon Sibal .
> > Colorist : Andy Troy . Letterers : Richard Starkings and David Comicraft .
> > Superheroes : Fighting American, Captian America, Spice, and Bucky .
> > Villians : Red Skull, Iron Skull, and their armies .
> > Supporting Characters : None .
> > Title : Fighting American/Captain America .
> > Universe : Awesome Entertainment .
> > Agent America, I would like your response, your opinion, and your choice
> > of which universe this crossover should be in, what story you would have
> > set up, and which artists you would like to see draw this . Thank you .
> > It's not over until I say it's over !
> > * Fighting American *
> Yes this would be so cool

Ah, Brevity...

Albert

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Re: Captain America Vol 3 #1 (mild spoilers) (1663)

Posted by Albert B. Ching on August 16, 1997 at 22:54:48 PDT
in reply to Captain America Vol 3 #1 (mild spoilers) (1650), posted by Sledge on August 16, 1997 at 18:19:44 PDT

> According to the November comics listing at Mania, Waid & Garney have decided to kick off the new series in Japan of all places. Cap will be fighting against a terrorist group that fears the Westernization of their land. Of course, being Mr. Red/White/Blue himself will make things a little rougher trying to take these people down.
> What does everyone think about this? The first issue, not the fact that a real discussion is trying to be started.
> -=Sledge=-
I'm with Batorc. I much prefer the old numbering. #1 looks pretty cool, it's supposed to see what Cap's impact on foreing countries, and how they view him. Cool with me. And also, doing those Usenet *g* (switch the "*" with "<" doesn't work here, unfortunately. I'm a little unsure about how I like Garney. HE's okay, but different. I'd rather see another Ron, Ron Lim.
Albert
There! I posted abotu Captain America!

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Re: November's Captain America # 1 (1664)

Posted by Roscoe on August 16, 1997 at 22:56:42 PDT
in reply to November's Captain America # 1 (1658), posted by Fighting American on August 16, 1997 at 21:54:46 PDT


> I assure you Marvel won't be doing this again to Fantastic Four, Avengers, Iron Man, and Captain America for quite some time now .

You have that power? Frankly, I see no reason to believe they wont jerk us around once again. They've done it plenty of times before.

-Roscoe

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Re: Agent America, let us talk patrioticly . (1665)

Posted by Campbell Heller on August 17, 1997 at 02:20:03 PDT
in reply to Agent America, let us talk patrioticly . (1647), posted by Fighting American on August 16, 1997 at 16:44:30 PDT


> Me, I liked his tricky stories on Captain, but his art was even more
> appealing . I think that he has since drawn me better . Let us talk
> like patriots, no swearing, no crude language, and we shall
> talk like true gentlemen - discuss things intelligently .

> It's not over until I say it's over !

> * Fighting American *

You're not serious. Someone, tell me this is sarcasm. You can't be serious.

Camp

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Re: Captain America Vol 3 #1 (mild spoilers) (1666)

Posted by Batroc on August 17, 1997 at 06:31:42 PDT
in reply to Re: Captain America Vol 3 #1 (mild spoilers) (1659), posted by Patriot on August 16, 1997 at 22:02:15 PDT


>
> > > According to the November comics listing at Mania, Waid & Garney have decided to kick off the new series in Japan of all places. Cap will be fighting against a terrorist group that fears the Westernization of their land. Of course, being Mr. Red/White/Blue himself will make things a little rougher trying to take these people down.
> > > What does everyone think about this? The first issue, not the fact that a real discussion is trying to be started.
> > > -=Sledge=-
> > >>>> I can't believe it,,,a post about Cap. Thanks Sledge. Well, it is better than a new origin or old origin story.
> > I think we have all read a bunch of those. I guess I will just have to read it. I loved most of Waid's stuff but I did not enjoy his first story line "First Sign". However, I think he had some help with that one.
> > I am one of the guys who wanted to coninue the old numbering too. Batroc the Leaper

> I'll be very impressed if Waid can show that Cap is an international hero and not just an American one. He's respected all around the World not to mention Olympus as Waid depicted in Cap #444. I re-read all of Waid's Cap's last week cause I just can't wait!
> BTW: Batroc, First Sign didn't come till 449. It wasn't Waid's first story arc.

> Patriot.

>>>You are right Patriot, it occurred after the Skull/Cosmic Cube story.
I still think it was a collarboration of sorts with the scribes from Iron Man and Thor. BTL

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Dan Hoover (1667)

Posted by Tobin Kennedy on August 17, 1997 at 07:56:00 PDT

What issues of Cap did Dan Hoover illustrate? I know he did the Invaders (2nd series) which I thought was great.

Tobin

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First Sign (1668)

Posted by Patriot on August 17, 1997 at 09:07:53 PDT
in reply to Re: Captain America Vol 3 #1 (mild spoilers) (1666), posted by Batroc on August 17, 1997 at 06:31:42 PDT

I loved most of Waid's stuff but I did not enjoy his first story line "First Sign". However, I think he had some help with that one.
> > > I am one of the guys who wanted to coninue the old numbering too. Batroc the Leaper

> > I'll be very impressed if Waid can show that Cap is an international hero and not just an American one. He's respected all around the World not to mention Olympus as Waid depicted in Cap #444. I re-read all of Waid's Cap's last week cause I just can't wait!
> > BTW: Batroc, First Sign didn't come till 449. It wasn't Waid's first story arc.

> > Patriot.

> >>>You are right Patriot, it occurred after the Skull/Cosmic Cube story.
> I still think it was a collarboration of sorts with the scribes from Iron Man and Thor. BTL

FYI: First Sign was an Avengers story that crossed Cap, Thor, and IM in order to bring the big three back to the Avengers and "clean up The Crossing". What a joke.

Patriot.

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Re: Dan Hoover (1669)

Posted by Rimes on August 17, 1997 at 10:22:49 PDT
in reply to Dan Hoover (1667), posted by Tobin Kennedy on August 17, 1997 at 07:56:00 PDT


> What issues of Cap did Dan Hoover illustrate? I know he did the Invaders (2nd series) which I thought was great.

> Tobin

Dave Hoover began his stint on Cap with #425 (March 1994), the first installment of the "Fighting Chance" storyline. "Fighting Chance" ran until #437 (March 1995). I think that Hoover left the book with Gruenwald with issue #443 (Sept 1995).

I was never really that crazy about the way Hoover depicted Cap. His face always looked wrong to me somehow. That prevented me from fully enjoying Hoover's art.

I believe that, like Ron Lim, Hoover came on to the scene through work published in independent comics in the late 1980s. The earliest Hoover work in my collection is the first four issues of DC's The Wanderers (1988) which Hoover penciled.

Rob

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Re: Rats, no Chats!!! (1670)

Posted by Rimes on August 17, 1997 at 10:28:49 PDT
in reply to Rats, no Chats!!! (1655), posted by Batroc on August 16, 1997 at 20:15:11 PDT


> >>>As previously mentioned, the sigma chat room is shut down due to abuse.
> I've asked Rob (Rimes) to find a new for the time being and I'm sure he will.
> I really enjoyed the few times that the Cap fans met and discussed his goings on. Plaid, Albert, TJ, Patriot, and of course Rob have been a part of this in the past.
> I'd like to try this again, if and when we find another chat spot, I'll let you know a time and a place.
> I'll keep you posted........... Batroc Ze Lepair

Somebody on the Spidey board found an alternative chat room at WBS,...Here is what he said:

> I've set up a chat for us at the WBS. You have to be a member to use it though, but it's free!
>
> Temp SMB Chat

> Hey, it's not what we're used to, but it'll have to do for now. The messages show up at the bottom, and it's not easy to use for new guys.

Personally i don't like WBS, and I can't stand passwords and all that stuff. As I said on the Superboy board, I often chat at a site on the Web, but I might be moving to a different room there soon.

Rob

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Jamie (1671)

Posted by Stonecold on August 17, 1997 at 10:50:54 PDT

e-mail me to get on my awesome mailing list

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Re: David Medinnus, let me fight for the weak ! (1672)

Posted by Albert B. Ching on August 17, 1997 at 11:21:49 PDT
in reply to David Medinnus, let me fight for the weak ! (1637), posted by Fighting American on August 16, 1997 at 12:13:50 PDT

> You can erase messages discussing Fighting American all you want .
> That won't stop my followers !
> A man who doesn't appreciate a patriotic American such as I, doesn't
> deserve to step foot on my country .
> I shall stand up for those who are afraid, speak for those who can't, and
> fight for the weak !
> It's not over until I say it's over !
> * Fighting American *
Jamie, this has nothing to do with Captain America, like 95% of your posts. Please leave, or post-on-topic.
Albert

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META: Hey, Dave... (1673)

Posted by Albert B. Ching on August 17, 1997 at 11:23:42 PDT

Er, Dave, are you leaving as moderator because you're angry with all the off-topic posts and bickering or becausse you want to start your own site?
Albert

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Re: Enough is enough!!! (1674)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 17, 1997 at 11:58:23 PDT
in reply to Re: Enough is enough!!! (1649), posted by Sledge on August 16, 1997 at 18:11:58 PDT

> > Okay for the record I am the new guy on the block. However, the reason that I joined this board was to engage in interesting and thoughtful discussions regarding Captain America. Of late the only topic that people seem to be discussing is whether they like or hate Rob Liefield. Yes he worked on Captain America, but he is gone now so get over it! Unless you are comparing Liefield's artwork or storylines dealing with Captain America to another writer/artist who is currently working, or has worked on Captain America then don't post here. This is not the I love/hate Liefield board. Nor is it the Fighting American board. Furthermore, and this comment is directed towards Jamie unless you can come up with a better discussion than "Waid & Garney SUCK!...Made you look!" I would remind you of a rather famous quote from Mark Twain "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt." If you think that Waid and Garney suck that is fine, but at least back up such a statement with some form of proof that can be debated with the group.
> > I am sorry if this statement has offended anyone, but I felt that it had to be said. I also hope that we will be able to get back to interesting discussions regarding Cap.

> I came to post a similar message. Again. It appears Night Hawk has beat me to it. I guess I'll just say ditto.

> Bonus points for the Mark Twain quote. Little known Sledge trivia for ya, I once played Mark Twain on stage.

> -=Sledge=-

Hey!!!!!! I'm an oldie here, but I basically agree with you guys.... I don't mind the Liefeld posts and the other Agent America crap posted here, cause I typically skip them and prevent myself from wasting time....but those incoherent, run on, goofy posts that only throw out insults are a waste of space... David M....(The moderator of this board) has stated that he will begin deleting these posts as he sees them... which makes me wonder if this board will be completely blank....

A Worried Ned

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Re: Rats, no Chats!!! (1675)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 17, 1997 at 12:01:25 PDT
in reply to Re: Rats, no Chats!!! (1661), posted by Albert B. Ching on August 16, 1997 at 22:49:10 PDT

> > >>>As previously mentioned, the sigma chat room is shut down due to abuse.
> > I've asked Rob (Rimes) to find a new for the time being and I'm sure he will.
> > I really enjoyed the few times that the Cap fans met and discussed his goings on. Plaid, Albert, TJ, Patriot, and of course Rob have been a part of this in the past.
> > I'd like to try this again, if and when we find another chat spot, I'll let you know a time and a place.
> > I'll keep you posted........... Batroc Ze Lepair
> Yup. I miss the late-night chats between me, you, Plaidy and Rob. We'd probably be doing it right now! :( Alvaro'll be back soon, he'll fix things.
> Albert

Hmmmm.... guess I have been delinquent in my chat room visits.... when school starts back up in the fall, I will have access to this place after 7 p.m.!!!! Yayyy!!!....or is this a reason for celebration???? mwaaahaahaaaa

An Ominous Ned

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Re: Losing my composure...an REM song??? (1676)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 17, 1997 at 12:04:41 PDT
in reply to Losing my composure (1646), posted by Batroc on August 16, 1997 at 16:08:09 PDT

> > > You can erase messages discussing Fighting American all you want .
> > > That won't stop my followers !
> > > A man who doesn't appreciate a patriotic American such as I, doesn't
> > > deserve to step foot on my country .
> > > I shall stand up for those who are afraid, speak for those who can't, and
> > > fight for the weak !
> > > It's not over until I say it's over !
> > > * Fighting American *
> > Well, he can send a request to ban you to Sam, the temporary Main Moderator for posting off-topic messages all the time! That'll sure stop you and your imaginary followers!
> > Cya
> > The Plaid Skull
> > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!
> >>>Hey, I got an idea...why don't you go to the Fighting American board. Wait,....there isn't one because not enough people care.
> If you don't have anything relating to CAPTAIN AMERICA, then DON'T POST HERE. BTL

When Jamie says "weak"...does he mean those who are weak of mind and intellect....or weak of focus coherent posts....???

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Re: Requiring Registration...count me in...please....*snifle* (1677)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 17, 1997 at 12:07:30 PDT
in reply to Re: Requiring Registration (1626), posted by David Medinnus on August 15, 1997 at 09:45:57 PDT

>
> > Gaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! Listen, David!!! If your departing had anything to do with me I promise that I'll never visit the Cap board ever again!!!

> Actually, I have a warm spot in my heart for your "I'm number 345,762! Any prize?" posts, and generally enjoy your banter.

> > And what was wrong with Sigma???

> Nothing's wrong with Sigma that another Sparc 20 wouldn't cure; but the web-based chat (as opposed to the Java-based chat) is VERY server-intensive, and enough users will slow the system down considerably. Which makes our paying customers a bit cranky...

> > If you're leaving no matter what I nominate Batroc the Leaper or Rob as Moderator!! Just say the word, Dave and I'm outtie!

> Please stay; I will be continuing as moderator at least until Alvaro gets back, when he and I and Don can discuss what to do about the problems.

> BUT...let me point out that the new board is open to all; it will take minimal registration, and nobody will be turned away. The reason to require registration is so that abusive jerks who spam off-topic obscenities can be banned while being able to continue running the boards.

>
> > Cya
> > The Plaid Skull

> >
> > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!


David...will I be able to use the computer lab terminals to get to this site????

Your Buddy,

Ned

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Plaidy's Runs!!!!! euwwwwww!!!....and off topic... (1678)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 17, 1997 at 12:16:56 PDT
in reply to The Man from Plaid (1623), posted by Batroc on August 15, 1997 at 04:26:25 PDT

> > > >>>>This board is at an intellectual low. There have been alot of deletions
> > > but since I subscribe to the message board, I've probably perused all of the sophomoric posts.
> > > I think bans are in order for a few people.
> > > >>>Plaidy, as much as I have always respected your opinions and unique since of humor, I would not sling mud with the Beavis and Butthead crowd.
> > > And not to sound like my mom, but you get on their level.
> > > >>>>Dave M., you are one of the best moderators on the Sigma net, but Jack Meoff and Ivanna Pee
> > > should get the boot from the board.
> > > >>>>I like the board the way it has been in the past, good Cap discussions, good comic concepts, and good natured fun
> > > between people who have come to know each other through the board.
> > > Just my two cents,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Batroc the Leaper..
> > Well, I apologize but I was sick and tired literally and not too happy since I had to rush to the bathroom every 5 seconds! I had a bad case of...the "runs"(ewww)and still do! And the last thing I wanted to read was an insult! I suppose I should've have left him alone or gave a more intelligent and witty response but if I said something intelligent the moron would've dismissed as "homo-talk"! Well, I already e-mailed Sam to ban this person! The last thing I want is this place to end up like JPruitt's board! This poster also caused a ruckus over at the chat room!
>
> > Cya
> > The Plaid Skull
> >>>> I maintain my utmost respect for the man known only as "Plaid" to many. For that is the way of honor, the way of Batroc the Leaper

Isn't this a little off topic and graphic???

Thankful That He Knows Plaidy's REAL Name....


Big Buddy Ned

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"The High Quality of this board"??? (1679)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 17, 1997 at 12:20:39 PDT
in reply to Quality of this board. (1587), posted by Patriot on August 14, 1997 at 06:09:52 PDT

> I'm wondering if most people on the Cap board are over Eighteen? It seems to be so. The reason I ask is that I went to other boards to see what they were like and I didn't like what I saw. I always frequent the Cap-Avengers-Tbolts pages. Last night, since I'm also a big DC fan, I decided to go to the DC universe board (which has an incredible banner of Hal and Ollie). What I found were insults and fighting in every string. I was so turned off that I posted a message about the banner, got a reply, and left as soon as I could. I haven't dared venture to Superboy or Nightwing yet.
> My point is I hope this board will stay the high caliber I've come accustomed to and people won't debase themselves to what I saw over there. I noticed some discusting posts that look like they've been removed on this board but not on the "no threads" part. I hope people won't feel the need to do that again.

> A Patriot getting off his soapbox.

You really believe that this board's dicussions have been of high quality??? Over the past several months, I've seen this board steadily going into the toilet......Oops!!! Keeping it Cap related...the red, white, and blue toilet..... I have really read very few posts that seemed worth responding to...

A Nostalgic Ned (...and already missing David)

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Re: Rats, no Chats!!! (1680)

Posted by Albert B. Ching on August 17, 1997 at 12:21:22 PDT
in reply to Re: Rats, no Chats!!! (1675), posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 17, 1997 at 12:01:25 PDT

> > > >>>As previously mentioned, the sigma chat room is shut down due to abuse.
> > > I've asked Rob (Rimes) to find a new for the time being and I'm sure he will.
> > > I really enjoyed the few times that the Cap fans met and discussed his goings on. Plaid, Albert, TJ, Patriot, and of course Rob have been a part of this in the past.
> > > I'd like to try this again, if and when we find another chat spot, I'll let you know a time and a place.
> > > I'll keep you posted........... Batroc Ze Lepair
> > Yup. I miss the late-night chats between me, you, Plaidy and Rob. We'd probably be doing it right now! :( Alvaro'll be back soon, he'll fix things.
> > Albert
> Hmmmm.... guess I have been delinquent in my chat room visits.... when school starts back up in the fall, I will have access to this place after 7 p.m.!!!! Yayyy!!!....or is this a reason for celebration???? mwaaahaahaaaa
> An Ominous Ned
Yeah...except that by then I'll be in school, liekly only chatting on the weekends, if ever. Bummer.
To make this Cap realted: Captain America is cool...
Albert

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To any awesome fan (1681)

Posted by Stonecold on August 17, 1997 at 12:30:39 PDT

Cause we cannot poast anything our here e-mail me and I will put you on my awesome/ savage dragon mailing list. To make iy cap realte Mark Waid cap kicks butt

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As you say, General Albert ! (1682)

Posted by Fighting American on August 17, 1997 at 12:42:06 PDT

I recently posted a message concerning Captain . I hear what you are saying
and will discuss Rob Liefeld's creations and I, less and less . I admire your
courage in mentioning that .

It's not over until I say it's over !

* Fighting American *

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Re: As you say, General Albert ! (1683)

Posted by Albert B. Ching on August 17, 1997 at 13:52:34 PDT
in reply to As you say, General Albert ! (1682), posted by Fighting American on August 17, 1997 at 12:42:06 PDT

> I recently posted a message concerning Captain . I hear what you are saying
> and will discuss Rob Liefeld's creations and I, less and less . I admire your
> courage in mentioning that .
> It's not over until I say it's over !
> * Fighting American *
Okay. I have no jurisdiction on this board, so I can't regulate what you post, but still, talk about Cap America, okay? I don't want you to leave or anything. Have you thought of trying Jonah Weiland's boards or Usenet's rec.arts.comics.misc?
Albert

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Re: As you say, General Albert ! (1684)

Posted by agent america on August 17, 1997 at 13:56:26 PDT
in reply to Re: As you say, General Albert ! (1683), posted by Albert B. Ching on August 17, 1997 at 13:52:34 PDT

Usenet's rec.arts.comics.misc? what is this adress


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Fighting America cover (1685)

Posted by Agent America on August 17, 1997 at 14:52:09 PDT

http://members.wbs.net/homepages/s/t/o/stonecold5/FAMERICAN.GIF

here it is

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Re: Fighting America cover (1686)

Posted by Tobin Kennedy on August 17, 1997 at 15:28:57 PDT
in reply to Fighting America cover (1685), posted by Agent America on August 17, 1997 at 14:52:09 PDT


> here it is

I thought that you weren't going to talk about Fighting American anymore (at least not on this board)?

Tobin

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You don't talk like me at all (No Text) (1687)

Posted by Patriot on August 17, 1997 at 17:02:41 PDT
in reply to Agent America, let us talk patrioticly . (1647), posted by Fighting American on August 16, 1997 at 16:44:30 PDT


> I am sorry for being rude to you by saying learn to spell and use punctuation .
> Since I am a major fan of Rob Liefeld myself, how about we be friends ?
> I can pretty much tell that we are the only fans of Liefeld so we should
> discuss our likes and dislikes in comic books .

> Since we can no longer talk in the Chat Room, we must post messages
> and e-mail each other instead . Right now I am quite curious of two things .
> One, what is your e-mail address ? And two, what is it you like more
> about Liefeld's Captain ? His stories or his art on him ?

> Me, I liked his tricky stories on Captain, but his art was even more
> appealing . I think that he has since drawn me better . Let us talk
> like patriots, no swearing, no crude language, and we shall
> talk like true gentlemen - discuss things intelligently .

> It's not over until I say it's over !

> * Fighting American *

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Re: As you say, General Albert ! (1688)

Posted by Albert B. Ching on August 17, 1997 at 17:19:28 PDT
in reply to Re: As you say, General Albert ! (1684), posted by agent america on August 17, 1997 at 13:56:26 PDT

> Usenet's rec.arts.comics.misc? what is this adress
It's not on the web, Usenet is a separate part of the Internet.
Albert

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Agent America, I would like to talk . (1689)

Posted by Fighting American on August 17, 1997 at 18:54:29 PDT
in reply to Fighting America cover (1685), posted by Agent America on August 17, 1997 at 14:52:09 PDT

I appreciate you revealing this, but I would like to ask you a question .
Where did you find this cover ? It is very patriotic, very me, and I like
it ! Sorry, I started to lose my dignity there .

Anyway, where did you find this ? And did Fighting American # 1 come out
yet ? When does Fighting American # 1 come out ? I would like some answers,
my patriotic friend .

It's not over until I say it's over !

* Fighting American *

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Trying to keep an eye on you...like a hurt, lost and blinded fool...*no text* (1690)

Posted by Albert B. Ching on August 17, 1997 at 19:11:34 PDT
in reply to Re: Losing my composure...an REM song??? (1676), posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 17, 1997 at 12:04:41 PDT


> > > > You can erase messages discussing Fighting American all you want .
> > > > That won't stop my followers !
> > > > A man who doesn't appreciate a patriotic American such as I, doesn't
> > > > deserve to step foot on my country .
> > > > I shall stand up for those who are afraid, speak for those who can't, and
> > > > fight for the weak !
> > > > It's not over until I say it's over !
> > > > * Fighting American *
> > > Well, he can send a request to ban you to Sam, the temporary Main Moderator for posting off-topic messages all the time! That'll sure stop you and your imaginary followers!
> > > Cya
> > > The Plaid Skull
> > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!
> > >>>Hey, I got an idea...why don't you go to the Fighting American board. Wait,....there isn't one because not enough people care.
> > If you don't have anything relating to CAPTAIN AMERICA, then DON'T POST HERE. BTL

> When Jamie says "weak"...does he mean those who are weak of mind and intellect....or weak of focus coherent posts....???

I think you mean "losing my religion". :) hee...heh

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Re: Agent America, I would like to talk . (1691)

Posted by agent america on August 17, 1997 at 19:15:25 PDT
in reply to Agent America, I would like to talk . (1689), posted by Fighting American on August 17, 1997 at 18:54:29 PDT

It is on the back of suprme 51

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pic (1692)

Posted by agent america on August 17, 1997 at 19:24:56 PDT
in reply to Fighting America cover (1685), posted by Agent America on August 17, 1997 at 14:52:09 PDT

What this pic is not working. Did it ever worked

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Re: Agent America, I would like to talk . (1693)

Posted by Agent america on August 17, 1997 at 19:26:45 PDT
in reply to Re: Agent America, I would like to talk . (1691), posted by agent america on August 17, 1997 at 19:15:25 PDT

It is also on mania. I erased it cause of copyright law

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Re: First Sign (1694)

Posted by Roscoe on August 17, 1997 at 20:17:57 PDT
in reply to First Sign (1668), posted by Patriot on August 17, 1997 at 09:07:53 PDT

> I loved most of Waid's stuff but I did not enjoy his first story line "First Sign". However, I think he had some help with that one.
> > > > I am one of the guys who wanted to coninue the old numbering too. Batroc the Leaper

> > > I'll be very impressed if Waid can show that Cap is an international hero and not just an American one. He's respected all around the World not to mention Olympus as Waid depicted in Cap #444. I re-read all of Waid's Cap's last week cause I just can't wait!
> > > BTW: Batroc, First Sign didn't come till 449. It wasn't Waid's first story arc.

> > > Patriot.

> > >>>You are right Patriot, it occurred after the Skull/Cosmic Cube story.
> > I still think it was a collarboration of sorts with the scribes from Iron Man and Thor. BTL

> FYI: First Sign was an Avengers story that crossed Cap, Thor, and IM in order to bring the big three back to the Avengers and "clean up The Crossing". What a joke.

> Patriot.

First Sign was also the setup to a mjor crossover that was abruptly snuffed and will apparantly never happen, as a different Zodiac seems to have shown their faces in Alpha Flight.

-Roscoe

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Jamie read (1695)

Posted by Stonecold on August 17, 1997 at 20:22:37 PDT

Did you got any of my messages. I sent a note to awesome comics and it had you name init

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Re: More Bad News, folks!*SPOILERS SORTA* (1696)

Posted by Falcon on August 17, 1997 at 20:36:37 PDT
in reply to More Bad News, folks!*SPOILERS SORTA* (1631), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 15, 1997 at 12:12:52 PDT


> Well, Venom beat me to the punch in breaking into Mania's preview for November but I still went there and guess what? They're only putting out Cap#1!!! No continuation of the old numbering! He just came back and Cap goes straight to Japan! Wolvie and Lady Deathstrike guest star! Here's the link so you can see it for yourself!


> Cya
> The Plaid Skull


Yeah, but there's good news too, namely that they're reprinting the Waid/Garney issues of Cap which I never got to see. Starting back at number #1 doesn't bother me all that much. They're also reprinting the Avengers and FF Marvel Masterworks.

Falcon

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Re: Losing composure? I've already lost it. (1697)

Posted by Rimes on August 17, 1997 at 22:01:04 PDT
in reply to Losing composure? I've already lost it. (1651), posted by Roscoe on August 16, 1997 at 19:19:23 PDT


>
> I don't want to make it seem as though this is an old guard vs. new guard posting thing, because it isn't. I hope a billion people come and post on the Cap board. But I think I speak for most everyone who has been on this board for a long period of time when I say: SHUT UP.

> I am sick of reading crap about Agent America and Fighting American. I don't want to read anything about Rob Liefield. I don't want people talking about Uncle Sam, Private Strong or the Shield. At one point I appreciated comparisons, historical analysis, whatever. But at this point, I couldn't care less. I want to read and discuss posts about Captain America and if I see anymore of this crap I'm going to really go ballistic and start wearing an Armor Cap suit and I'm going to crush your face.

> -Roscoe

Who is this addressed to? We have all been reading the same board, and I have not had a problem sorting through what's worth reading and what isn't. If memory serves, mindless posts have been a part of this board from the beginning (in April). There have also been some excellent posts about Cap's history and personality. I find it ironic that the complaining has occured at this particular time, since we were just having some great threads about the essence of Cap's character. We might have disagreed, but we were talking about Cap as if he was a real person, trying to judge whether certain portrayals were faithful to the way he "is." Let's keep the discussion going, and we can simply ignore the posts about Rob Liefeld (as I have been doing all along).

Rob

P.S.: Does this mean you didn't like my "Shield" post, Roscoe? :)

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What Do Non-Americans Think of Cap? (1698)

Posted by Rimes on August 18, 1997 at 00:23:16 PDT

I seem to recall reading letters from non-Americans (mainly Canadians and Brits) in Cap letter-pages over the years, saying that they admired Cap even though they were not American. But...was this just an example of biased letter pages or the truth? I seem to recall our fellow poster Woden (Australian, if i remember right) dismissing Cap as merely fighting for a country while Thor fought for the whole world. So, what do readers from other countries think of Cap?

Rob

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Re: What Do Non-Americans Think of Cap? (1699)

Posted by Anthony Gleeson on August 18, 1997 at 01:10:55 PDT
in reply to What Do Non-Americans Think of Cap? (1698), posted by Rimes on August 18, 1997 at 00:23:16 PDT


I am a 20 year old guy from Australia and I have been collecting cap religiously for around seven years. I must admit that there are not many cap fans I know of around and when I tell someone im into Captain America I tend to get a wierd glance followed by a "yeah????". Generally, most australian comic fans are more into titles such as "Spider-man" or "Spawn", I believe. I guess a suggested reason for this is these characters are kind of "universal". Personaly, What appealed to me about Captain America was the character himself not just an american in a stars and stripes uniform. His beliefs, values, courage, and patriotisim are characteristics which are universal and I believe can be appreciated by everybody and not just americans.

G-MAN

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What happened to Agent America in the comics ? (1700)

Posted by Fighting American on August 18, 1997 at 02:05:17 PDT

I have been wondering this for quite some time now . Stonecold, could you
please answer this ? Did they get rid of Agent America and use him as me ?
That would be an awful waste !

I am guessing they did this, but they shoudn't have . They could create a
different costume for Agent ! Now, what is with this situation, Stonecold/
Agent America ?

It's not over until I say it's over !

* Fighting American *

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Re: What Do Non-Americans Think of Cap? (1701)

Posted by Ghost Rider on August 18, 1997 at 02:52:18 PDT
in reply to What Do Non-Americans Think of Cap? (1698), posted by Rimes on August 18, 1997 at 00:23:16 PDT

I am Italian and I've been reading Cap for twenty years now - I'm twenty-six. From the Lee-Kirby period to the Waid-Garney one - I refuse to consider Liefeld a comics creator - Cap has always been a symbol of justice and courage. He is a man who fights for the values he believes in and he should be an example for everyone. Even though it may sound pretentious, I think that Cap doesn't represent America anymore, at least the one we always see in newspapers and in TV programmes. I think that John Walker could be a better symbol of America than Steve Rogers.

Ghost Rider


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Friend, Americans, Posters, lend me your ears. (1702)

Posted by Patriot on August 18, 1997 at 05:57:28 PDT

To any and all of you who are sick of the bickering going on this board as well as the continued talk about that very bad writer and his rip-off character, (Despite Dave's ban) I want to bring your attention to Dave's Early Board Registration post. I signed up as soon as I saw it and I implore you to do the same. This board used to be a great place to come but lately, I've been going to Thor and other boards just to escape this adolescent behavior. I'm not going to turn this into an old guard/new guard thing. Heck, I've only been on the boards since April but I was excepted readily by everybody right away.
I know I'm not making myself any more popular but these new posters who ignore the rules are being childish and selfish. I hope that the new board will be up soon and we can all post about our favorite character in peace.
" The tree of Liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots from time to time."

Patriot.


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Re: Me (1703)

Posted by Captain America on August 18, 1997 at 07:12:48 PDT
in reply to Me (1641), posted by Captain America on August 16, 1997 at 12:58:00 PDT

> I use to like me but now I do not. I willlike me in November. I like me in 1-5. If you want to see a cool me buy fighting America. I love him he is alot better then me

Citizens:

I would like to remind us all that the Moderator of this group has requested that we stay away from Liefeld related issues and focus on my adventures primarily. So, please, as good citizens, let's pull together to have an intelligent conversation, okay? Besides, my life has been pretty strange the past year, and I really don't want all these arguments messing with my head at the moment.

Keep the faith,

Captain America

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Re: Friend, Americans, Posters, lend me your ears. (1704)

Posted by Captain America on August 18, 1997 at 07:25:08 PDT
in reply to Friend, Americans, Posters, lend me your ears. (1702), posted by Patriot on August 18, 1997 at 05:57:28 PDT

> To any and all of you who are sick of the bickering going on this board as well as the continued talk about that very bad writer and his rip-off character, (Despite Dave's ban) I want to bring your attention to Dave's Early Board Registration post. I signed up as soon as I saw it and I implore you to do the same. This board used to be a great place to come but lately, I've been going to Thor and other boards just to escape this adolescent behavior. I'm not going to turn this into an old guard/new guard thing. Heck, I've only been on the boards since April but I was excepted readily by everybody right away.
> I know I'm not making myself any more popular but these new posters who ignore the rules are being childish and selfish. I hope that the new board will be up soon and we can all post about our favorite character in peace.
> " The tree of Liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots from time to time."

> Patriot.

Citizens:

I have to agree with Patriot on this issue. It seems that this board is rapidly losing focus, and the quickest way to lose one's freedoms is to lose focus on what is important. On this board, the focus is supposed to be my adventures, and not the adventures (no matter how good or bad) of other characters no matter how similar. Yes, I have publicly stated that I did not enjoy my time under Liefeld's pencil and script, but in deference to our esteemed moderator, I have tried to avoid useless chatter about off-topic issues. Please, let's all get back to the matter at hand and quit all this senseless bickering! I'm having a heckuva time dealing with the so-called patriots in my own universe (you know, the ones who turn out to be racists), and I really am tiring of all the "I'm more patriotic than you are talk" revolving around Rob Liefeld's latest attempt to re-write my life. So, rap about Cap, but leave the other stuff out, okay?

Keep the faith,

Captain America

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sorry awesome (1705)

Posted by Agent america on August 18, 1997 at 09:58:40 PDT
in reply to Fighting America cover (1685), posted by Agent America on August 17, 1997 at 14:52:09 PDT

This cover was own by awesome comics. I do not make money off it

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Captain America/Batman (1706)

Posted by Falcon on August 18, 1997 at 10:14:47 PDT

I read a couple of days ago that there will be a Cap/Bats crossover written and drawn by John Byrne. I forget where I read it but I think it's supposed to be set in the 40s. Anyone else hear about this?

Falcon

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Get Your Own Damn Ears!!!!! (1707)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 18, 1997 at 10:20:00 PDT
in reply to Friend, Americans, Posters, lend me your ears. (1702), posted by Patriot on August 18, 1997 at 05:57:28 PDT

> To any and all of you who are sick of the bickering going on this board as well as the continued talk about that very bad writer and his rip-off character, (Despite Dave's ban) I want to bring your attention to Dave's Early Board Registration post. I signed up as soon as I saw it and I implore you to do the same. This board used to be a great place to come but lately, I've been going to Thor and other boards just to escape this adolescent behavior. I'm not going to turn this into an old guard/new guard thing. Heck, I've only been on the boards since April but I was excepted readily by everybody right away.
> I know I'm not making myself any more popular but these new posters who ignore the rules are being childish and selfish. I hope that the new board will be up soon and we can all post about our favorite character in peace.
> " The tree of Liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots from time to time."

> Patriot.

I'm with ya....but I hope that I can be childish....just as long as I am on topic :')

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does anyone know the issue when............ (1708)

Posted by Martin W Currie on August 18, 1997 at 10:28:09 PDT

Ok, I was giving someone a lift to the station when he told me his "FAVOURITE COMIC BOOK MEMORY!!!". Captain America is fighting a gang of bad guys on the street ( now I don't really understand this bit) he lassoo's them all with a man-hole cover. He is approached by an eminent professor, who asks him to give a lecture to the world's greatest criminologists. Next day, Captain America is on the podium infront of hoards of distinguished academics. He is asked why he always pits himself against such terrible odds, and he explains that such are his abilities that he finds he can rise to any challenge. At this point the professor who invited him pulls off his rubber mask and reveals himself to be an alien. Then the entire audience pull off their rubber masks......
Can anybody tell me which issue the 'FAVOURITE COMIC BOOK MEMORY' is in, so I can make an old man very happy?

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Re: does anyone know the issue when............ (1709)

Posted by Martin W Currie on August 18, 1997 at 10:30:40 PDT
in reply to does anyone know the issue when............ (1708), posted by Martin W Currie on August 18, 1997 at 10:28:09 PDT

> Ok, I was giving someone a lift to the station when he told me his "FAVOURITE COMIC BOOK MEMORY!!!". Captain America is fighting a gang of bad guys on the street ( now I don't really understand this bit) he lassoo's them all with a man-hole cover. He is approached by an eminent professor, who asks him to give a lecture to the world's greatest criminologists. Next day, Captain America is on the podium infront of hoards of distinguished academics. He is asked why he always pits himself against such terrible odds, and he explains that such are his abilities that he finds he can rise to any challenge. At this point the professor who invited him pulls off his rubber mask and reveals himself to be an alien. Then the entire audience pull off their rubber masks......
> Can anybody tell me which issue the 'FAVOURITE COMIC BOOK MEMORY' is in, so I can make an old man very happy?
My e-mail address is gabsmart@legend.co.uk

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Re: Captain America/Batman (1710)

Posted by Rimes on August 18, 1997 at 10:31:41 PDT
in reply to Captain America/Batman (1706), posted by Falcon on August 18, 1997 at 10:14:47 PDT


> I read a couple of days ago that there will be a Cap/Bats crossover written and drawn by John Byrne. I forget where I read it but I think it's supposed to be set in the 40s. Anyone else hear about this?

> Falcon

I thought that already came out last year or so. I've been meaning to pick it up, too. I've heard it was good.

Rob

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It's The End of Subtlety As We Know It... (1711)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 18, 1997 at 10:42:18 PDT
in reply to Trying to keep an eye on you...like a hurt, lost and blinded fool...*no text* (1690), posted by Albert B. Ching on August 17, 1997 at 19:11:34 PDT

>
> > > > > You can erase messages discussing Fighting American all you want .
> > > > > That won't stop my followers !
> > > > > A man who doesn't appreciate a patriotic American such as I, doesn't
> > > > > deserve to step foot on my country .
> > > > > I shall stand up for those who are afraid, speak for those who can't, and
> > > > > fight for the weak !
> > > > > It's not over until I say it's over !
> > > > > * Fighting American *
> > > > Well, he can send a request to ban you to Sam, the temporary Main Moderator for posting off-topic messages all the time! That'll sure stop you and your imaginary followers!
> > > > Cya
> > > > The Plaid Skull
> > > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!
> > > >>>Hey, I got an idea...why don't you go to the Fighting American board. Wait,....there isn't one because not enough people care.
> > > If you don't have anything relating to CAPTAIN AMERICA, then DON'T POST HERE. BTL

> > When Jamie says "weak"...does he mean those who are weak of mind and intellect....or weak of focus coherent posts....???

> I think you mean "losing my religion". :) hee...heh

I know that Albert!!!!....man...you're always bringing me down...I need an Orange Crush.....Cap's favorite soda!!!

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Re: Captain America/Batman (1712)

Posted by Falcon on August 18, 1997 at 10:53:20 PDT
in reply to Re: Captain America/Batman (1710), posted by Rimes on August 18, 1997 at 10:31:41 PDT

>
> > I read a couple of days ago that there will be a Cap/Bats crossover written and drawn by John Byrne. I forget where I read it but I think it's supposed to be set in the 40s. Anyone else hear about this?


> > Falcon


> I thought that already came out last year or so. I've been meaning to pick it up, too. I've heard it was good.


> Rob


Hmmm... what rock was I hiding under, I wonder? Anyway, I hope there are copies still avaiable.

Falcon

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Re: Captain America/Batman (1713)

Posted by Bubba2 on August 18, 1997 at 11:35:17 PDT
in reply to Captain America/Batman (1706), posted by Falcon on August 18, 1997 at 10:14:47 PDT

> I read a couple of days ago that there will be a Cap/Bats crossover written and drawn by John Byrne. I forget where I read it but I think it's supposed to be set in the 40s. Anyone else hear about this?

> Falcon

I not only heard about it, I bought it! The issue came out some months ago and it was very well done. Classic takes on both Cap and Batman. I'll not issue any spoilers for you, but the fight scene between the two heroes is how I imagined such a meeting would really take place. If you can't get it at your local shop, find a place to order it! It was a good read (I think I'll go home after work and reread mine just so I can post a brief review here later!).

Happy Birthday,

bubba2


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Re: Friend, Americans, Posters, lend me your ears. (1714)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 18, 1997 at 12:56:38 PDT
in reply to Friend, Americans, Posters, lend me your ears. (1702), posted by Patriot on August 18, 1997 at 05:57:28 PDT

> To any and all of you who are sick of the bickering going on this board as well as the continued talk about that very bad writer and his rip-off character, (Despite Dave's ban) I want to bring your attention to Dave's Early Board Registration post. I signed up as soon as I saw it and I implore you to do the same. This board used to be a great place to come but lately, I've been going to Thor and other boards just to escape this adolescent behavior. I'm not going to turn this into an old guard/new guard thing. Heck, I've only been on the boards since April but I was excepted readily by everybody right away.
> I know I'm not making myself any more popular but these new posters who ignore the rules are being childish and selfish. I hope that the new board will be up soon and we can all post about our favorite character in peace.
> " The tree of Liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots from time to time."

> Patriot.


I say the Agent America guys need to be punished! They are violators of the rules! A clean swift banning must be in order! They are breaking the very first and probably most important rule!

"1.Try to make your posts related to the subject of the board. The Captain America Message Board was from the very beginning meant to be a forum for Captain America discussion ONLY!"

Sam or Alvaro needs to be notified of this!


Cya
The Plaid Skull

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Re: What Do Non-Americans Think of Cap? (1715)

Posted by Tobin Kennedy on August 18, 1997 at 15:13:16 PDT
in reply to What Do Non-Americans Think of Cap? (1698), posted by Rimes on August 18, 1997 at 00:23:16 PDT

The reason Ilike Cap is his nerver say die attitude. The first time I can think of, where I went this guy is great was in a What If (first series) issue (44 I think), it was what if Captain America were revived today (which has been revisted several times in the second series). What happened is that the 1950s Cap essentially took over the country and then the real Cap came and beat him down, that wasn't the reason I liked it, the reason I liked it was that Cap (the real one) fought not for America (the country) but for America (the ideal).

Oh yeah I'm Canadian.

Tobin

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Re: META: Hey, Dave... (1716)

Posted by David Medinnus on August 18, 1997 at 15:29:19 PDT
in reply to META: Hey, Dave... (1673), posted by Albert B. Ching on August 17, 1997 at 11:23:42 PDT

> Er, Dave, are you leaving as moderator because you're angry with all the off-topic posts and bickering or becausse you want to start your own site?

"Anger" is way too strong a word; "annoyed" is much better. But first, some background.

I have my own site; my major hobby site is the Star-Spangled Site (http://www.sigma.net/capt_am/index.html), and that's quite enough work all by itself.

Alvaro's site (along with a few other sites) is provided free to Alvaro, by the two owners of Sigma.Net, myself and Don Hackler. Alvaro started the Cap board at my request, because although I can (and have) built my own, I thought that the users would get more out of it if it was part of the Alvaro Universe (tm), with the links to the other boards, etc. Alvaro said he'd be happy to, as long as I became the moderator (to spread some of HIS workload around). I agreed, and we kicked off the board.

Since then, as Moderator, I've been bending over backwards on the "Censorship is wrong" side; however, in the last three weeks I've gotten email from some of the 'regulars' on the board complaining about the purile posts (of the "This board sucsk" variety - typo on purpose), and the off-topic bandwidth-wasting messages (the board takes long enough to load without off-topic stuff).

90%+ of the users aren't the problem, and I really enjoy the posts of Plaidy, Patriot, Bubba2, and others, including Jamie (I don't agree with him much, but I LIKE dissent); however, aside from going to password protection there is no good way to ban users from the board.

The other issue is the chat area, which is actually a VERY cgi-intensive process; enough users abusing the system slow the server down considerably, and our paying customers complain. Don went into the chat area and requested some changes of the users' habits (different refresh rates, whatever), and got mucho abuse, which annoyed him to the point where he shut it down (we can do that...we have the metaphorical car-keys).

Granted, the above was probably more information about me and the situation than you really wanted, but what the hell...at least I didn't give you the URL to my home page (http://www.sigma.net/fafhrd/index.html)!

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Re: David Medinnus, let me fight for the weak ! (1717)

Posted by David Medinnus on August 18, 1997 at 15:40:21 PDT
in reply to David Medinnus, let me fight for the weak ! (1637), posted by Fighting American on August 16, 1997 at 12:13:50 PDT

> You can erase messages discussing Fighting American all you want .
> That won't stop my followers !

Perhaps not, but it will (a) give me a new hobby, and (b) allow the Captain America board to focus on Captain America messages.

> A man who doesn't appreciate a patriotic American such as I, doesn't
> deserve to step foot on my country .

Probably not, but what can I say? I was born here...

> It's not over until I say it's over !

Uhh....yeah. Whatever.

-DM

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Re: Requiring Registration...count me in...please....*snifle* (1718)

Posted by David Medinnus on August 18, 1997 at 15:48:26 PDT
in reply to Re: Requiring Registration...count me in...please....*snifle* (1677), posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 17, 1997 at 12:07:30 PDT

>
> David...will I be able to use the computer lab terminals to get to this site????

Depends, I suppose, on what they're running in the lab; what are you using for a web interface? And send me mail, don't respond back to the list...

Thanx!

-DM

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Hey, I'm #9700 (1719)

Posted by Patriot on August 18, 1997 at 16:00:12 PDT

Plaidy's gettin slow in his old age don't you think?

Whenever there is tyranny, ruthlessness, and injustice The Patriot was there pushing the Plaid Skull's wheelchair.

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Re: META: Hey, Dave... (1720)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 18, 1997 at 16:07:22 PDT
in reply to Re: META: Hey, Dave... (1716), posted by David Medinnus on August 18, 1997 at 15:29:19 PDT

> > Er, Dave, are you leaving as moderator because you're angry with all the off-topic posts and bickering or becausse you want to start your own site?

> "Anger" is way too strong a word; "annoyed" is much better. But first, some background.

> I have my own site; my major hobby site is the Star-Spangled Site (http://www.sigma.net/capt_am/index.html), and that's quite enough work all by itself.

> Alvaro's site (along with a few other sites) is provided free to Alvaro, by the two owners of Sigma.Net, myself and Don Hackler. Alvaro started the Cap board at my request, because although I can (and have) built my own, I thought that the users would get more out of it if it was part of the Alvaro Universe (tm), with the links to the other boards, etc. Alvaro said he'd be happy to, as long as I became the moderator (to spread some of HIS workload around). I agreed, and we kicked off the board.

> Since then, as Moderator, I've been bending over backwards on the "Censorship is wrong" side; however, in the last three weeks I've gotten email from some of the 'regulars' on the board complaining about the purile posts (of the "This board sucsk" variety - typo on purpose), and the off-topic bandwidth-wasting messages (the board takes long enough to load without off-topic stuff).

> 90%+ of the users aren't the problem, and I really enjoy the posts of Plaidy, Patriot, Bubba2, and others, including Jamie (I don't agree with him much, but I LIKE dissent); however, aside from going to password protection there is no good way to ban users from the board.

> The other issue is the chat area, which is actually a VERY cgi-intensive process; enough users abusing the system slow the server down considerably, and our paying customers complain. Don went into the chat area and requested some changes of the users' habits (different refresh rates, whatever), and got mucho abuse, which annoyed him to the point where he shut it down (we can do that...we have the metaphorical car-keys).

> Granted, the above was probably more information about me and the situation than you really wanted, but what the hell...at least I didn't give you the URL to my home page (http://www.sigma.net/fafhrd/index.html)!

I don't get it! Why are you leaving again? And you own part of Sigma??? Woah!!!! That's crazy!!!

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

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Re: Hey, I'm #9700 (1721)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 18, 1997 at 16:12:38 PDT
in reply to Hey, I'm #9700 (1719), posted by Patriot on August 18, 1997 at 16:00:12 PDT

> Plaidy's gettin slow in his old age don't you think?

> Whenever there is tyranny, ruthlessness, and injustice The Patriot was there pushing the Plaid Skull's wheelchair.

You may have gotten victory this time,Patriot! But I shall be #10000!!

Cya
The Plaid Skull


Whnever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

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Re: Losing composure? I've already lost it. (1722)

Posted by Roscoe on August 18, 1997 at 16:49:55 PDT
in reply to Re: Losing composure? I've already lost it. (1697), posted by Rimes on August 17, 1997 at 22:01:04 PDT

>
> >
> > I don't want to make it seem as though this is an old guard vs. new guard posting thing, because it isn't. I hope a billion people come and post on the Cap board. But I think I speak for most everyone who has been on this board for a long period of time when I say: SHUT UP.

> > I am sick of reading crap about Agent America and Fighting American. I don't want to read anything about Rob Liefield. I don't want people talking about Uncle Sam, Private Strong or the Shield. At one point I appreciated comparisons, historical analysis, whatever. But at this point, I couldn't care less. I want to read and discuss posts about Captain America and if I see anymore of this crap I'm going to really go ballistic and start wearing an Armor Cap suit and I'm going to crush your face.

> > -Roscoe

> Who is this addressed to? We have all been reading the same board, and I have not had a problem sorting through what's worth reading and what isn't. If memory serves, mindless posts have been a part of this board from the beginning (in April). There have also been some excellent posts about Cap's history and personality. I find it ironic that the complaining has occured at this particular time, since we were just having some great threads about the essence of Cap's character. We might have disagreed, but we were talking about Cap as if he was a real person, trying to judge whether certain portrayals were faithful to the way he "is." Let's keep the discussion going, and we can simply ignore the posts about Rob Liefeld (as I have been doing all along).

> Rob

> P.S.: Does this mean you didn't like my "Shield" post, Roscoe? :)

I liked your Shield post. I didn't like 20 messages saying "Agent America is great" "Awesome is awesome" "Fighting American is cool. I luv Rob Liefield" and similar crap. I just want to talk about Captain America, period.

-Roscoe

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Re: Captain America/Batman (1723)

Posted by Roscoe on August 18, 1997 at 16:54:37 PDT
in reply to Re: Captain America/Batman (1712), posted by Falcon on August 18, 1997 at 10:53:20 PDT

> >
> > > I read a couple of days ago that there will be a Cap/Bats crossover written and drawn by John Byrne. I forget where I read it but I think it's supposed to be set in the 40s. Anyone else hear about this?

>
> > > Falcon

>
> > I thought that already came out last year or so. I've been meaning to pick it up, too. I've heard it was good.

>
> > Rob

>
> Hmmm... what rock was I hiding under, I wonder? Anyway, I hope there are copies still avaiable.

> Falcon

Not only did it come out several months ago, it was really good, one of Byrne's best efforts in a long time. There's a sequel/prequel thing coming out, snas Cap I believe, with Batman and Superman meeting in 1940 or 1938 or something in the same world as the Cap/Batman crossover.

-Roscoe

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Re: does anyone know the issue when............ (1724)

Posted by Roscoe on August 18, 1997 at 16:58:40 PDT
in reply to Re: does anyone know the issue when............ (1709), posted by Martin W Currie on August 18, 1997 at 10:30:40 PDT


> > Ok, I was giving someone a lift to the station when he told me his "FAVOURITE COMIC BOOK MEMORY!!!". Captain America is fighting a gang of bad guys on the street ( now I don't really understand this bit) he lassoo's them all with a man-hole cover. He is approached by an eminent professor, who asks him to give a lecture to the world's greatest criminologists. Next day, Captain America is on the podium infront of hoards of distinguished academics. He is asked why he always pits himself against such terrible odds, and he explains that such are his abilities that he finds he can rise to any challenge. At this point the professor who invited him pulls off his rubber mask and reveals himself to be an alien. Then the entire audience pull off their rubber masks......
> > Can anybody tell me which issue the 'FAVOURITE COMIC BOOK MEMORY' is in, so I can make an old man very happy?
> My e-mail address is gabsmart@legend.co.uk

old man, hmmm? This story doesn't ring a bell with me, and I've read pretty much every Cap story since 1962 or so. It's possible this came out either in Cap's first run (Captain America Comics #1-75, 1941-1950) or his second (Captain America Comics #76-78, 1950). That's about all I can tell you; maybe someone with a better memory or more extensive collection can help you out.

-Roscoe

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Re: Hey, I'm #9700 (1725)

Posted by Roscoe on August 18, 1997 at 17:02:51 PDT
in reply to Re: Hey, I'm #9700 (1721), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 18, 1997 at 16:12:38 PDT

> > Plaidy's gettin slow in his old age don't you think?

> > Whenever there is tyranny, ruthlessness, and injustice The Patriot was there pushing the Plaid Skull's wheelchair.

> You may have gotten victory this time,Patriot! But I shall be #10000!!


> Cya
> The Plaid Skull

>
> Whnever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

Didn't Dave say he'd have a prize for #10000? No matter who wins, we all get a prize: Plaidy will finally shut up about his number problem. Right, Plaid? Didn't you vow to zip it when a proze was finally given out?

-Roscoe

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Re: Another Aussies opinion (1726)

Posted by paul on August 18, 1997 at 17:03:37 PDT
in reply to Re: What Do Non-Americans Think of Cap? (1699), posted by Anthony Gleeson on August 18, 1997 at 01:10:55 PDT


>
> I am a 20 year old guy from Australia and I have been collecting cap religiously for around seven years. I must admit that there are not many cap fans I know of around and when I tell someone im into Captain America I tend to get a wierd glance followed by a "yeah????". Generally, most australian comic fans are more into titles such as "Spider-man" or "Spawn", I believe. I guess a suggested reason for this is these characters are kind of "universal". Personaly, What appealed to me about Captain America was the character himself not just an american in a stars and stripes uniform. His beliefs, values, courage, and patriotisim are characteristics which are universal and I believe can be appreciated by everybody and not just americans.

> G-MAN

I didn't really consider this side of Cap. The stories were fun he was a great personality what more do you need?

paul

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Re: Another Aussies opinion (1727)

Posted by paul on August 18, 1997 at 17:04:18 PDT
in reply to Re: What Do Non-Americans Think of Cap? (1699), posted by Anthony Gleeson on August 18, 1997 at 01:10:55 PDT


>
> I am a 20 year old guy from Australia and I have been collecting cap religiously for around seven years. I must admit that there are not many cap fans I know of around and when I tell someone im into Captain America I tend to get a wierd glance followed by a "yeah????". Generally, most australian comic fans are more into titles such as "Spider-man" or "Spawn", I believe. I guess a suggested reason for this is these characters are kind of "universal". Personaly, What appealed to me about Captain America was the character himself not just an american in a stars and stripes uniform. His beliefs, values, courage, and patriotisim are characteristics which are universal and I believe can be appreciated by everybody and not just americans.

> G-MAN

I didn't really consider this side of Cap. The stories were fun he was a great personality, what more do you need?

paul

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Re: Another Aussies opinion (1728)

Posted by paul on August 18, 1997 at 17:04:51 PDT
in reply to Re: What Do Non-Americans Think of Cap? (1699), posted by Anthony Gleeson on August 18, 1997 at 01:10:55 PDT


>
> I am a 20 year old guy from Australia and I have been collecting cap religiously for around seven years. I must admit that there are not many cap fans I know of around and when I tell someone im into Captain America I tend to get a wierd glance followed by a "yeah????". Generally, most australian comic fans are more into titles such as "Spider-man" or "Spawn", I believe. I guess a suggested reason for this is these characters are kind of "universal". Personaly, What appealed to me about Captain America was the character himself not just an american in a stars and stripes uniform. His beliefs, values, courage, and patriotisim are characteristics which are universal and I believe can be appreciated by everybody and not just americans.

> G-MAN

I didn't really consider this side of Cap. The stories were fun he was a great character, what more do you need?

paul

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I agree with Roscoe (1729)

Posted by Batroc on August 18, 1997 at 19:03:07 PDT
in reply to Re: does anyone know the issue when............ (1724), posted by Roscoe on August 18, 1997 at 16:58:40 PDT


> > > Ok, I was giving someone a lift to the station when he told me his "FAVOURITE COMIC BOOK MEMORY!!!". Captain America is fighting a gang of bad guys on the street ( now I don't really understand this bit) he lassoo's them all with a man-hole cover. He is approached by an eminent professor, who asks him to give a lecture to the world's greatest criminologists. Next day, Captain America is on the podium infront of hoards of distinguished academics. He is asked why he always pits himself against such terrible odds, and he explains that such are his abilities that he finds he can rise to any challenge. At this point the professor who invited him pulls off his rubber mask and reveals himself to be an alien. Then the entire audience pull off their rubber masks......
> > > Can anybody tell me which issue the 'FAVOURITE COMIC BOOK MEMORY' is in, so I can make an old man very happy?
> > My e-mail address is gabsmart@legend.co.uk
> old man, hmmm? This story doesn't ring a bell with me, and I've read pretty much every Cap story since 1962 or so. It's possible this came out either in Cap's first run (Captain America Comics #1-75, 1941-1950) or his second (Captain America Comics #76-78, 1950). That's about all I can tell you; maybe someone with a better memory or more extensive collection can help you out.
> -Roscoe
>>>>This occurred prior to Avengers #4 (vol. 1) or I would have read
it. It must be a golden age, Dave may have it on Microfifiche. Batroc the Leaper

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Re: Captain America/Batman (1730)

Posted by Batroc on August 18, 1997 at 19:07:31 PDT
in reply to Re: Captain America/Batman (1723), posted by Roscoe on August 18, 1997 at 16:54:37 PDT

> >
> > > > I read a couple of days ago that there will be a Cap/Bats crossover written and drawn by John Byrne. I forget where I read it but I think it's supposed to be set in the 40s. Anyone else hear about this?
>
> > > > Falcon
>
> > > I thought that already came out last year or so. I've been meaning to pick it up, too. I've heard it was good.
>
> > > Rob
>
> > Hmmm... what rock was I hiding under, I wonder? Anyway, I hope there are copies still avaiable.
> > Falcon
> Not only did it come out several months ago, it was really good, one of Byrne's best efforts in a long time. There's a sequel/prequel thing coming out, snas Cap I believe, with Batman and Superman meeting in 1940 or 1938 or something in the same world as the Cap/Batman crossover.
> -Roscoe
>>>It was good in a campy sort of style. It is set in the "Elseworlds" and features the Joker, Red Skull, and James Buchanan Barnes.
I can't beleive Rob Rimes would miss it. Howeve, he probably hasn't seen one in the fifty cent bin. Hey Rob, you can borrow mine if you promise to send it back. For that is the way of honor, the way of Batroc the Leaper.

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Re: Losing composure? I've already lost it. (1731)

Posted by Batroc on August 18, 1997 at 19:12:49 PDT
in reply to Re: Losing composure? I've already lost it. (1722), posted by Roscoe on August 18, 1997 at 16:49:55 PDT

>
> >
> > > I don't want to make it seem as though this is an old guard vs. new guard posting thing, because it isn't. I hope a billion people come and post on the Cap board. But I think I speak for most everyone who has been on this board for a long period of time when I say: SHUT UP.
> > > I am sick of reading crap about Agent America and Fighting American. I don't want to read anything about Rob Liefield. I don't want people talking about Uncle Sam, Private Strong or the Shield. At one point I appreciated comparisons, historical analysis, whatever. But at this point, I couldn't care less. I want to read and discuss posts about Captain America and if I see anymore of this crap I'm going to really go ballistic and start wearing an Armor Cap suit and I'm going to crush your face.
> > > -Roscoe
> > Who is this addressed to? We have all been reading the same board, and I have not had a problem sorting through what's worth reading and what isn't. If memory serves, mindless posts have been a part of this board from the beginning (in April). There have also been some excellent posts about Cap's history and personality. I find it ironic that the complaining has occured at this particular time, since we were just having some great threads about the essence of Cap's character. We might have disagreed, but we were talking about Cap as if he was a real person, trying to judge whether certain portrayals were faithful to the way he "is." Let's keep the discussion going, and we can simply ignore the posts about Rob Liefeld (as I have been doing all along).
> > Rob
> > P.S.: Does this mean you didn't like my "Shield" post, Roscoe? :)
> I liked your Shield post. I didn't like 20 messages saying "Agent America is great" "Awesome is awesome" "Fighting American is cool. I luv Rob Liefield" and similar crap. I just want to talk about Captain America, period.
> -Roscoe
>>>Rob, I enjoyed your historical posts on "The Shield". I was really disgusted to read the posts from Ivanna Pee and Jack Meoff. They wer low calibre to say the least.
I think Plaid may be one of the few to see them since he immediately responded in his own unimitatible style. These are the posts that have bothered me the most. BTL

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Re: Ned (1732)

Posted by Batroc on August 18, 1997 at 19:18:20 PDT
in reply to Plaidy's Runs!!!!! euwwwwww!!!....and off topic... (1678), posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 17, 1997 at 12:16:56 PDT

> > > > >>>>This board is at an intellectual low. There have been alot of deletions
> > > > but since I subscribe to the message board, I've probably perused all of the sophomoric posts.
> > > > I think bans are in order for a few people.
> > > > >>>Plaidy, as much as I have always respected your opinions and unique since of humor, I would not sling mud with the Beavis and Butthead crowd.
> > > > And not to sound like my mom, but you get on their level.
> > > > >>>>Dave M., you are one of the best moderators on the Sigma net, but Jack Meoff and Ivanna Pee
> > > > should get the boot from the board.
> > > > >>>>I like the board the way it has been in the past, good Cap discussions, good comic concepts, and good natured fun
> > > > between people who have come to know each other through the board.
> > > > Just my two cents,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Batroc the Leaper..
> > > Well, I apologize but I was sick and tired literally and not too happy since I had to rush to the bathroom every 5 seconds! I had a bad case of...the "runs"(ewww)and still do! And the last thing I wanted to read was an insult! I suppose I should've have left him alone or gave a more intelligent and witty response but if I said something intelligent the moron would've dismissed as "homo-talk"! Well, I already e-mailed Sam to ban this person! The last thing I want is this place to end up like JPruitt's board! This poster also caused a ruckus over at the chat room!
> >
> > > Cya
> > > The Plaid Skull
> > >>>> I maintain my utmost respect for the man known only as "Plaid" to many. For that is the way of honor, the way of Batroc the Leaper
> Isn't this a little off topic and graphic???
> Thankful That He Knows Plaidy's REAL Name....

> Big Buddy Ned
>>>I too know Plaid's first name but I am sworn to secrecy unto death. For that is the way of honor the way of Batroc the Leaper. (P.S. Cap RULES!---Does this make me relevant?)

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I KNOW THE ANSWER!!! (Note: Non-Cap content) (1733)

Posted by Rimes on August 18, 1997 at 21:01:55 PDT
in reply to I agree with Roscoe (1729), posted by Batroc on August 18, 1997 at 19:03:07 PDT


>
> > > > Ok, I was giving someone a lift to the station when he told me his "FAVOURITE COMIC BOOK MEMORY!!!". Captain America is fighting a gang of bad guys on the street ( now I don't really understand this bit) he lassoo's them all with a man-hole cover. He is approached by an eminent professor, who asks him to give a lecture to the world's greatest criminologists. Next day, Captain America is on the podium infront of hoards of distinguished academics. He is asked why he always pits himself against such terrible odds, and he explains that such are his abilities that he finds he can rise to any challenge. At this point the professor who invited him pulls off his rubber mask and reveals himself to be an alien. Then the entire audience pull off their rubber masks......
> > > > Can anybody tell me which issue the 'FAVOURITE COMIC BOOK MEMORY' is in, so I can make an old man very happy?
> > > My e-mail address is gabsmart@legend.co.uk

The story you are referring to is not a Captain America story... it is a story of THE SHIELD, another patriotic hero. The story in question appeared in FLY MAN #35 (January 1966), published by Mighty Comics Group (a.k.a. Archie Comics Group).

Rob

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Re: Losing composure? I've already lost it. (1734)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 18, 1997 at 21:40:15 PDT
in reply to Re: Losing composure? I've already lost it. (1731), posted by Batroc on August 18, 1997 at 19:12:49 PDT

> >
> > >
> > > > I don't want to make it seem as though this is an old guard vs. new guard posting thing, because it isn't. I hope a billion people come and post on the Cap board. But I think I speak for most everyone who has been on this board for a long period of time when I say: SHUT UP.
> > > > I am sick of reading crap about Agent America and Fighting American. I don't want to read anything about Rob Liefield. I don't want people talking about Uncle Sam, Private Strong or the Shield. At one point I appreciated comparisons, historical analysis, whatever. But at this point, I couldn't care less. I want to read and discuss posts about Captain America and if I see anymore of this crap I'm going to really go ballistic and start wearing an Armor Cap suit and I'm going to crush your face.
> > > > -Roscoe
> > > Who is this addressed to? We have all been reading the same board, and I have not had a problem sorting through what's worth reading and what isn't. If memory serves, mindless posts have been a part of this board from the beginning (in April). There have also been some excellent posts about Cap's history and personality. I find it ironic that the complaining has occured at this particular time, since we were just having some great threads about the essence of Cap's character. We might have disagreed, but we were talking about Cap as if he was a real person, trying to judge whether certain portrayals were faithful to the way he "is." Let's keep the discussion going, and we can simply ignore the posts about Rob Liefeld (as I have been doing all along).
> > > Rob
> > > P.S.: Does this mean you didn't like my "Shield" post, Roscoe? :)
> > I liked your Shield post. I didn't like 20 messages saying "Agent America is great" "Awesome is awesome" "Fighting American is cool. I luv Rob Liefield" and similar crap. I just want to talk about Captain America, period.
> > -Roscoe
> >>>Rob, I enjoyed your historical posts on "The Shield". I was really disgusted to read the posts from Ivanna Pee and Jack Meoff. They wer low calibre to say the least.
> I think Plaid may be one of the few to see them since he immediately responded in his own unimitatible style. These are the posts that have bothered me the most. BTL

Aye, right after that happened the board discussion went down hill!! I regret my retaliation! I usually keep a cool head with other jerks and attackers like Mickey K, and some guy who posts under alot of names who called me a "whimp" or "weenie", and some other guy who got angry at me because I said that Spidey was being drawn bad, and I'm sure many others from the "I hate Plaid" era, but with that guy....


Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

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Re: I KNOW THE ANSWER!!! (Note: Non-Cap content) (1735)

Posted by Roscoe on August 18, 1997 at 21:45:50 PDT
in reply to I KNOW THE ANSWER!!! (Note: Non-Cap content) (1733), posted by Rimes on August 18, 1997 at 21:01:55 PDT

>
> >
> > > > > Ok, I was giving someone a lift to the station when he told me his "FAVOURITE COMIC BOOK MEMORY!!!". Captain America is fighting a gang of bad guys on the street ( now I don't really understand this bit) he lassoo's them all with a man-hole cover. He is approached by an eminent professor, who asks him to give a lecture to the world's greatest criminologists. Next day, Captain America is on the podium infront of hoards of distinguished academics. He is asked why he always pits himself against such terrible odds, and he explains that such are his abilities that he finds he can rise to any challenge. At this point the professor who invited him pulls off his rubber mask and reveals himself to be an alien. Then the entire audience pull off their rubber masks......
> > > > > Can anybody tell me which issue the 'FAVOURITE COMIC BOOK MEMORY' is in, so I can make an old man very happy?
> > > > My e-mail address is gabsmart@legend.co.uk

> The story you are referring to is not a Captain America story... it is a story of THE SHIELD, another patriotic hero. The story in question appeared in FLY MAN #35 (January 1966), published by Mighty Comics Group (a.k.a. Archie Comics Group).

> Rob

Argh, non-Cap! DELETE HIM DELETE..whoa...sorry, man, the anti-hysteria drugs I've been taking wore off. Nice work finding the issue.

-Roscoe

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Re: I KNOW THE ANSWER!!! (Note: Non-Cap content) (1736)

Posted by Rimes on August 18, 1997 at 22:30:31 PDT
in reply to Re: I KNOW THE ANSWER!!! (Note: Non-Cap content) (1735), posted by Roscoe on August 18, 1997 at 21:45:50 PDT

> Argh, non-Cap! DELETE HIM DELETE..whoa...sorry, man, the anti-hysteria drugs I've been taking wore off. Nice work finding the issue.

> -Roscoe

Hey, that's why i put the "non-Cap content" in the subject line, just so you would be spared. I guess maybe this shows the inevitability of posts about other patriotic heroes, considering that the person remembered the Shield story as a Cap story.

By the way, it was pure luck that I knew the answer. I have only two 1960s Shield stories in my collection, and this happened to be one of them. Also... if i hadn't had looked over that issue recently when writing my "Archie's Shield" post, I probably would not have remembered it...!

Rob

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Rob is off fighting America (1737)

Posted by Agent America on August 19, 1997 at 06:12:58 PDT

Go mania.com and read the daily buzz so do youthink agent america is back on

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Question: (1738)

Posted by Falcon on August 19, 1997 at 07:53:23 PDT

Was John Buscema ever penciller of Cap?

Falcon

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My Favorite Captain America Scene (1739)

Posted by Brother Voodoo on August 19, 1997 at 09:46:28 PDT

I was just thinking - if I had to use one storyline to introduce an unitiated, newcomer to the most noble of all comic book heros, which would I chose?

My favorite scene occured at the end of the story arc where the Masters of Evil over ran the Avengers Mansion, beat the snot out of a drunk Hercules, and it was basically up to most of the non-superpowered Avengers to clean house (I know Thor was there, but his hands were pretty full). I thought the entire story arc was pretty good, but the scene I speak of was at the end.

After securing the Mansion, and everyone was sort of wandering around the rubble in disbelief - we see Cap on his knees, looking at the remains of everything that he owned. Everything from his past that meant anything to him was now gone, intentionally destroyed by the Masters of Evil. I remember him gently cradling the remnants of the only picture that he had of his long dead mother.

I found this to be very moving. This was a man of limitless bravery and valor - quite literally afraid of nothing. But this was also a man of very deep compassion and reverence for the past.

This is my favorite scene.


Thanks for letting me share it with you,

Brother Voodoo

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Re: META: Hey, Dave... (1740)

Posted by David Medinnus on August 19, 1997 at 10:16:51 PDT
in reply to Re: META: Hey, Dave... (1720), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 18, 1997 at 16:07:22 PDT


> I don't get it! Why are you leaving again? And you own part of Sigma??? Woah!!!! That's crazy!!!

What is it you don't understand? That I'm waiting for Alvaro to get back from vacation before I leave? That I own part of an ISP and therefore get to use some of the space to further the online presence of one of my hobbies? Send me some specifics in email if you have more questions.

-DM

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Re: Hey, I'm #9700 (1741)

Posted by David Medinnus on August 19, 1997 at 10:19:52 PDT
in reply to Re: Hey, I'm #9700 (1721), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 18, 1997 at 16:12:38 PDT

> You may have gotten victory this time,Patriot! But I shall be #10000!!

...and there is a prize for number 10K!

-DM

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Re: Hey, I'm #9700 (1742)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 19, 1997 at 10:25:41 PDT
in reply to Re: Hey, I'm #9700 (1725), posted by Roscoe on August 18, 1997 at 17:02:51 PDT

> > > Plaidy's gettin slow in his old age don't you think?

> > > Whenever there is tyranny, ruthlessness, and injustice The Patriot was there pushing the Plaid Skull's wheelchair.

> > You may have gotten victory this time,Patriot! But I shall be #10000!!

>
> > Cya
> > The Plaid Skull

> >
> > Whnever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

> Didn't Dave say he'd have a prize for #10000? No matter who wins, we all get a prize: Plaidy will finally shut up about his number problem. Right, Plaid? Didn't you vow to zip it when a proze was finally given out?

> -Roscoe

Right-o,Roscoe!! No more "Do I get a prize or something?" posts at least on this board!!

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenver there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

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Re: Hey, I'm #9700 (1743)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 19, 1997 at 10:30:15 PDT
in reply to Re: Hey, I'm #9700 (1741), posted by David Medinnus on August 19, 1997 at 10:19:52 PDT

>

> > You may have gotten victory this time,Patriot! But I shall be #10000!!
>
> ...and there is a prize for number 10K!

> -DM

Ooh, I wonder what it is! I hope it's a mink coat, or a limo, or a bag of platinum, or candy, or a Cosmic Cube, or an Infinity Gem, or women, or a small European country! Wow, I always wanted my very own Latveria!


Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

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Re: David Medinnus, let me fight for the weak ! (1744)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 19, 1997 at 10:34:29 PDT
in reply to Re: David Medinnus, let me fight for the weak ! (1717), posted by David Medinnus on August 18, 1997 at 15:40:21 PDT

> > You can erase messages discussing Fighting American all you want .
> > That won't stop my followers !

> Perhaps not, but it will (a) give me a new hobby, and (b) allow the Captain America board to focus on Captain America messages.

> > A man who doesn't appreciate a patriotic American such as I, doesn't
> > deserve to step foot on my country .

> Probably not, but what can I say? I was born here...

> > It's not over until I say it's over !

> Uhh....yeah. Whatever.

> -DM

Wowwwwww...... David, you were actually able to decipher this one....I'm truly amazed.....

A Formally Stumped Ned

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Re: Losing composure? I've already lost it. (1745)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 19, 1997 at 10:36:55 PDT
in reply to Re: Losing composure? I've already lost it. (1734), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 18, 1997 at 21:40:15 PDT

> > >
> > > >
> > > > > I don't want to make it seem as though this is an old guard vs. new guard posting thing, because it isn't. I hope a billion people come and post on the Cap board. But I think I speak for most everyone who has been on this board for a long period of time when I say: SHUT UP.
> > > > > I am sick of reading crap about Agent America and Fighting American. I don't want to read anything about Rob Liefield. I don't want people talking about Uncle Sam, Private Strong or the Shield. At one point I appreciated comparisons, historical analysis, whatever. But at this point, I couldn't care less. I want to read and discuss posts about Captain America and if I see anymore of this crap I'm going to really go ballistic and start wearing an Armor Cap suit and I'm going to crush your face.
> > > > > -Roscoe
> > > > Who is this addressed to? We have all been reading the same board, and I have not had a problem sorting through what's worth reading and what isn't. If memory serves, mindless posts have been a part of this board from the beginning (in April). There have also been some excellent posts about Cap's history and personality. I find it ironic that the complaining has occured at this particular time, since we were just having some great threads about the essence of Cap's character. We might have disagreed, but we were talking about Cap as if he was a real person, trying to judge whether certain portrayals were faithful to the way he "is." Let's keep the discussion going, and we can simply ignore the posts about Rob Liefeld (as I have been doing all along).
> > > > Rob
> > > > P.S.: Does this mean you didn't like my "Shield" post, Roscoe? :)
> > > I liked your Shield post. I didn't like 20 messages saying "Agent America is great" "Awesome is awesome" "Fighting American is cool. I luv Rob Liefield" and similar crap. I just want to talk about Captain America, period.
> > > -Roscoe
> > >>>Rob, I enjoyed your historical posts on "The Shield". I was really disgusted to read the posts from Ivanna Pee and Jack Meoff. They wer low calibre to say the least.
> > I think Plaid may be one of the few to see them since he immediately responded in his own unimitatible style. These are the posts that have bothered me the most. BTL

> Aye, right after that happened the board discussion went down hill!! I regret my retaliation! I usually keep a cool head with other jerks and attackers like Mickey K, and some guy who posts under alot of names who called me a "whimp" or "weenie", and some other guy who got angry at me because I said that Spidey was being drawn bad, and I'm sure many others from the "I hate Plaid" era, but with that guy....


>
> Cya
> The Plaid Skull


> Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

The "I Hate Plaid" era???? I don't remember this one... I have always thought that you were universally loved by millions....

A Fan, Ned

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Re: Losing composure? I've already lost it. (1746)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 19, 1997 at 12:04:47 PDT
in reply to Re: Losing composure? I've already lost it. (1745), posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 19, 1997 at 10:36:55 PDT

> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I don't want to make it seem as though this is an old guard vs. new guard posting thing, because it isn't. I hope a billion people come and post on the Cap board. But I think I speak for most everyone who has been on this board for a long period of time when I say: SHUT UP.
> > > > > > I am sick of reading crap about Agent America and Fighting American. I don't want to read anything about Rob Liefield. I don't want people talking about Uncle Sam, Private Strong or the Shield. At one point I appreciated comparisons, historical analysis, whatever. But at this point, I couldn't care less. I want to read and discuss posts about Captain America and if I see anymore of this crap I'm going to really go ballistic and start wearing an Armor Cap suit and I'm going to crush your face.
> > > > > > -Roscoe
> > > > > Who is this addressed to? We have all been reading the same board, and I have not had a problem sorting through what's worth reading and what isn't. If memory serves, mindless posts have been a part of this board from the beginning (in April). There have also been some excellent posts about Cap's history and personality. I find it ironic that the complaining has occured at this particular time, since we were just having some great threads about the essence of Cap's character. We might have disagreed, but we were talking about Cap as if he was a real person, trying to judge whether certain portrayals were faithful to the way he "is." Let's keep the discussion going, and we can simply ignore the posts about Rob Liefeld (as I have been doing all along).
> > > > > Rob
> > > > > P.S.: Does this mean you didn't like my "Shield" post, Roscoe? :)
> > > > I liked your Shield post. I didn't like 20 messages saying "Agent America is great" "Awesome is awesome" "Fighting American is cool. I luv Rob Liefield" and similar crap. I just want to talk about Captain America, period.
> > > > -Roscoe
> > > >>>Rob, I enjoyed your historical posts on "The Shield". I was really disgusted to read the posts from Ivanna Pee and Jack Meoff. They wer low calibre to say the least.
> > > I think Plaid may be one of the few to see them since he immediately responded in his own unimitatible style. These are the posts that have bothered me the most. BTL

> > Aye, right after that happened the board discussion went down hill!! I regret my retaliation! I usually keep a cool head with other jerks and attackers like Mickey K, and some guy who posts under alot of names who called me a "whimp" or "weenie", and some other guy who got angry at me because I said that Spidey was being drawn bad, and I'm sure many others from the "I hate Plaid" era, but with that guy....

>
> >
> > Cya
> > The Plaid Skull

>
> > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

> The "I Hate Plaid" era???? I don't remember this one... I have always thought that you were universally loved by millions....

> A Fan, Ned

Remember? Everyone was after me on the SMB! And the board was full of fake Plaid Goblins!! I was being impersonated on a daily basis!! Remember that weirdo who said that anyone can e-mail him about Spidey except me because I criticized Skroce or somthing about the Spidey books? He said that if Spidey was real he could be me up or something!

Cya
The Plaid Skull


Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

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Re: Answer (1747)

Posted by Rimes on August 19, 1997 at 12:09:38 PDT
in reply to Question: (1738), posted by Falcon on August 19, 1997 at 07:53:23 PDT


> Was John Buscema ever penciller of Cap?

> Falcon

Yes, John Buscema penciled #115 and #217.

Rob
(relying only on memory for the numbers!)

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Re: Answer (1748)

Posted by Falcon on August 19, 1997 at 12:20:15 PDT
in reply to Re: Answer (1747), posted by Rimes on August 19, 1997 at 12:09:38 PDT

>
> > Was John Buscema ever penciller of Cap?


> > Falcon


> Yes, John Buscema penciled #115 and #217.


> Rob
> (relying only on memory for the numbers!)


Thanks Rob,

Falcon

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Re: My Favorite Captain America Scene (1749)

Posted by Rimes on August 19, 1997 at 12:20:30 PDT
in reply to My Favorite Captain America Scene (1739), posted by Brother Voodoo on August 19, 1997 at 09:46:28 PDT

> This is my favorite scene.

> Thanks for letting me share it with you,

> Brother Voodoo


Thanks, Brother Voodoo...since I haven't read that comic. It reminds me of a scene in #250 where Cap comes across his old kindergarten class (an empty boarded-up building) and remembers the wise words of his old teacher.

But my FAVORITE Cap scene of all time is the page in #237 where Cap approaches the concentration camp, on his motorcycle. The Nazis are firing at the defenseless prisoners, and then a guard turns his head to see a speck on the horizon, growing closer. Then closer. Then closer...we see it is Cap, and the guard shouts for help. But there can be no help for him now. Cap bursts through the fence on his bike and we see the Captain America logo (as part of Anna Kapplebaum's wonderful narration that accompanied this scene...I'm relying on memory here, so I can't quote it). One of my all-time favorite scenes in a comicbook. Not sure why I like it so much, I just do!

Rob

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Re: Losing composure? I've already lost it. (1750)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 19, 1997 at 12:43:26 PDT
in reply to Re: Losing composure? I've already lost it. (1746), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 19, 1997 at 12:04:47 PDT

> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't want to make it seem as though this is an old guard vs. new guard posting thing, because it isn't. I hope a billion people come and post on the Cap board. But I think I speak for most everyone who has been on this board for a long period of time when I say: SHUT UP.
> > > > > > > I am sick of reading crap about Agent America and Fighting American. I don't want to read anything about Rob Liefield. I don't want people talking about Uncle Sam, Private Strong or the Shield. At one point I appreciated comparisons, historical analysis, whatever. But at this point, I couldn't care less. I want to read and discuss posts about Captain America and if I see anymore of this crap I'm going to really go ballistic and start wearing an Armor Cap suit and I'm going to crush your face.
> > > > > > > -Roscoe
> > > > > > Who is this addressed to? We have all been reading the same board, and I have not had a problem sorting through what's worth reading and what isn't. If memory serves, mindless posts have been a part of this board from the beginning (in April). There have also been some excellent posts about Cap's history and personality. I find it ironic that the complaining has occured at this particular time, since we were just having some great threads about the essence of Cap's character. We might have disagreed, but we were talking about Cap as if he was a real person, trying to judge whether certain portrayals were faithful to the way he "is." Let's keep the discussion going, and we can simply ignore the posts about Rob Liefeld (as I have been doing all along).
> > > > > > Rob
> > > > > > P.S.: Does this mean you didn't like my "Shield" post, Roscoe? :)
> > > > > I liked your Shield post. I didn't like 20 messages saying "Agent America is great" "Awesome is awesome" "Fighting American is cool. I luv Rob Liefield" and similar crap. I just want to talk about Captain America, period.
> > > > > -Roscoe
> > > > >>>Rob, I enjoyed your historical posts on "The Shield". I was really disgusted to read the posts from Ivanna Pee and Jack Meoff. They wer low calibre to say the least.
> > > > I think Plaid may be one of the few to see them since he immediately responded in his own unimitatible style. These are the posts that have bothered me the most. BTL

> > > Aye, right after that happened the board discussion went down hill!! I regret my retaliation! I usually keep a cool head with other jerks and attackers like Mickey K, and some guy who posts under alot of names who called me a "whimp" or "weenie", and some other guy who got angry at me because I said that Spidey was being drawn bad, and I'm sure many others from the "I hate Plaid" era, but with that guy....

> >
> > >
> > > Cya
> > > The Plaid Skull

> >
> > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

> > The "I Hate Plaid" era???? I don't remember this one... I have always thought that you were universally loved by millions....

> > A Fan, Ned


> Remember? Everyone was after me on the SMB! And the board was full of fake Plaid Goblins!! I was being impersonated on a daily basis!! Remember that weirdo who said that anyone can e-mail him about Spidey except me because I criticized Skroce or somthing about the Spidey books? He said that if Spidey was real he could be me up or something!

> Cya
> The Plaid Skull

>
> Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

Hmmmmm..... I missed that one.... was that during the "Ned Leeds Jr. Is A Weinie" era????? What was that protagonist's name anyways??? I have really blocked it out.....remember, he left and was going through personal issues...

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Re: Answer (1751)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 19, 1997 at 12:44:35 PDT
in reply to Re: Answer (1748), posted by Falcon on August 19, 1997 at 12:20:15 PDT

> >
> > > Was John Buscema ever penciller of Cap?

>
> > > Falcon

>
> > Yes, John Buscema penciled #115 and #217.

>
> > Rob
> > (relying only on memory for the numbers!)

>
> Thanks Rob,

> Falcon

I had forgotten about those issues, but Sal B. did some issues in the #170's.......

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Re: Sal Buscema's Cap (1752)

Posted by Rimes on August 19, 1997 at 13:26:32 PDT
in reply to Re: Answer (1751), posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 19, 1997 at 12:44:35 PDT

> I had forgotten about those issues, but Sal B. did some issues in the #170's.......

Sal Buscema probably drew more classic issues of Cap (I'm talking just from #100-454 here) than anybody else.

Sal's work on Cap began when he did the inking for #114 & 115 (which were penciled by Romita & John Buscema respectively).

He penciled & inked the cover to #137, showing Cap & Falc running toward a giant Spider-Man. (Sal or John B. might have done the cover to #136, by the way, since it seems more their style than Romita's.)

Sal penciled #146-163, 165-181, 185 (2 pages only), 188, 218-223, 225-237 (he also penciled Hulk during this period, when it crossed-over with Cap), 284 & 285. I'm not aware of any more recent Cap issues that he has drawn.

Sal also drew several issues of The Avengers, especially during the Englehart-Kang period. I think the most recent one he drew was #227? Sal drew lots of comics for Marvel during the 1970s. Perhaps the one I most associate with him (besides Cap, of course) is The Defenders, which he drew circa #3 to #40 (or so). In later years Sal began inking his own work, on Thor and Spider-Man comics.

Sal recently began drawing for DC and his work could be found in recent issues of Superboy (around #42, 43).

I would love to see Sal do another Cap comic, hopefully inked by someone whose style is faithful to his own.

Rob

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Re: Captain America/Batman (1753)

Posted by Rimes on August 19, 1997 at 13:39:01 PDT
in reply to Re: Captain America/Batman (1730), posted by Batroc on August 18, 1997 at 19:07:31 PDT

> I can't beleive Rob Rimes would miss it. Howeve, he probably hasn't seen one in the fifty cent bin. Hey Rob, you can borrow mine if you promise to send it back. For that is the way of honor, the way of Batroc the Leaper.

It is true that i haven't found it in a fifty-cent bin! But sometimes I buy comics that cost several dollars, and Cap/Batman is one such multidollar purchase that I am considering making! (For example, I plan on buying AC's Golden-Age Men of Mystery series, and it costs around $6 or so each issue.) Byrne draws an excellent Cap (and an excellent Batman, too). So thanks for the offer of loaning me the comic, but I plan on buying it, so no need! By the way, though, I have found some graphic novels in cheap boxes. Earlier this year, I bought the Wrightson Spidey graphic novel titled "Hooky" for only a dollar, and the 1st appearance of the New Mutants (an early 1980s Marvel Graphic Novel), also for $1. So, it can be done.

Rob

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New Poll/Old Poll Results (1754)

Posted by David Medinnus on August 19, 1997 at 14:42:48 PDT

The old poll is in the archive, and the new poll question is "Who Is Your Favorite Cap Writer?"

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Re: Hey, I'm #9800...hmmmm (1755)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 19, 1997 at 14:43:30 PDT
in reply to Re: Hey, I'm #9700 (1743), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 19, 1997 at 10:30:15 PDT

> >

> > > You may have gotten victory this time,Patriot! But I shall be #10000!!
> >
> > ...and there is a prize for number 10K!

> > -DM

> Ooh, I wonder what it is! I hope it's a mink coat, or a limo, or a bag of platinum, or candy, or a Cosmic Cube, or an Infinity Gem, or women, or a small European country! Wow, I always wanted my very own Latveria!


>
> Cya
> The Plaid Skull


> Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

heeheehee can you feel that prize just slippin' away from you Plaidy????

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Re: My Favorite Captain America Scene (1756)

Posted by Batroc on August 19, 1997 at 19:10:01 PDT
in reply to Re: My Favorite Captain America Scene (1749), posted by Rimes on August 19, 1997 at 12:20:30 PDT

> > This is my favorite scene.
> > Thanks for letting me share it with you,
> > Brother Voodoo

> Thanks, Brother Voodoo...since I haven't read that comic. It reminds me of a scene in #250 where Cap comes across his old kindergarten class (an empty boarded-up building) and remembers the wise words of his old teacher.
> But my FAVORITE Cap scene of all time is the page in #237 where Cap approaches the concentration camp, on his motorcycle. The Nazis are firing at the defenseless prisoners, and then a guard turns his head to see a speck on the horizon, growing closer. Then closer. Then closer...we see it is Cap, and the guard shouts for help. But there can be no help for him now. Cap bursts through the fence on his bike and we see the Captain America logo (as part of Anna Kapplebaum's wonderful narration that accompanied this scene...I'm relying on memory here, so I can't quote it). One of my all-time favorite scenes in a comicbook. Not sure why I like it so much, I just do!
> Rob
>>>Several favorite scenes come to mind
.....The roof top speech in #183
.....Taking the original Moonstone through a tree in #175
.....The Steranko Hero returns splash in #113 (recently re drawn on a HR Cap cover)
I just can't decide. Batroc the Leaper

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New Cap Message Board (1757)

Posted by David Medinnus on August 19, 1997 at 22:24:13 PDT

The direct link to the board is at:

http://www.sigma.net/capt_am/chatboard/index.html

If you haven't registered yet, do so!


Re: New Cap Message Board (1758)

Posted by David Medinnus on August 19, 1997 at 22:26:24 PDT
in reply to New Cap Message Board (1757), posted by David Medinnus on August 19, 1997 at 22:24:13 PDT

> The direct link to the board is at:

> http://www.sigma.net/capt_am/chatboard/index.html

> If you haven't registered yet, do so!

> http://www.sigma.net/board_reg.html

> Enjoy!

Dooh! Forgot a closing ". AAAAAARGH!

-DM

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Attention Brett and Druid! (1759)

Posted by David Medinnus on August 20, 1997 at 10:05:21 PDT

Hiya.

Brett and Druid, the email addresses in your registrations bounced back to me; I need real email addresses to send you your logins and passwords!

Send me mail at medinnus@sigma.net

Thanx!

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Re: Sal Buscema's Cap (1760)

Posted by Falcon on August 20, 1997 at 12:50:56 PDT
in reply to Re: Sal Buscema's Cap (1752), posted by Rimes on August 19, 1997 at 13:26:32 PDT

> > I had forgotten about those issues, but Sal B. did some issues in the #170's.......


> Sal Buscema probably drew more classic issues of Cap (I'm talking just from #100-454 here) than anybody else.


> Sal's work on Cap began when he did the inking for #114 & 115 (which were penciled by Romita & John Buscema respectively).


> He penciled & inked the cover to #137, showing Cap & Falc running toward a giant Spider-Man. (Sal or John B. might have done the cover to #136, by the way, since it seems more their style than Romita's.)


> Sal penciled #146-163, 165-181, 185 (2 pages only), 188, 218-223, 225-237 (he also penciled Hulk during this period, when it crossed-over with Cap), 284 & 285. I'm not aware of any more recent Cap issues that he has drawn.


> Sal also drew several issues of The Avengers, especially during the Englehart-Kang period. I think the most recent one he drew was #227? Sal drew lots of comics for Marvel during the 1970s. Perhaps the one I most associate with him (besides Cap, of course) is The Defenders, which he drew circa #3 to #40 (or so). In later years Sal began inking his own work, on Thor and Spider-Man comics.


> Sal recently began drawing for DC and his work could be found in recent issues of Superboy (around #42, 43).


> I would love to see Sal do another Cap comic, hopefully inked by someone whose style is faithful to his own.


> Rob
>


Sal B. also did one of those Hostess cupcakes ads (at least it looked like his work). Anyway Cap was fighting the "Sore Sir's Apprentices", a bunch of green troglodytes. Jeez, how corny can you get?

Falcon

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Re: Plaidy's Runs!!!!! euwwwwww!!!....and off topic... (1761)

Posted by Rimes on August 20, 1997 at 19:38:54 PDT
in reply to Plaidy's Runs!!!!! euwwwwww!!!....and off topic... (1678), posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 17, 1997 at 12:16:56 PDT

> Isn't this a little off topic and graphic???

> Big Buddy Ned

Yes, and I'm surprised that it hasn't been, er, wiped......

Rob

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Fighting American #1 (1762)

Posted by Rimes on August 20, 1997 at 20:11:27 PDT

Yesterday I bought a copy of Fighting American #1. I had vaguely remembered seeing this series before, but had not bought it -- it was the recent off-topic discussion about FA on this board that convinced me to pick it up. By the way, i should mention that this particular FA #1, which I found sitting in a 50-cent discount box at the local shop, was not the original 1950s FA #1 nor the much-anticipated Liefeld FA #1, but the first of a five-issue series released by DC in 1994. The only name I recognized among the book's creative team was penciler Greg LaRocque, who had drawn a few issues of Avengers circa 1982. I found that the way LaRocque drew FA's legs on pages 2-3 reminded me of the way Steranko drew Cap's legs, shading it to make it look backlit (best way i can describe it).

FA seemed a bit violent in the story, stepping on people's heads and kicking them where it hurts most. There were some modern touches with FA accidentally knocking a bungy-jumper off a bridge, and FA carrying a pager. FA & his brother are kept in a lab's containment chambers and the keepers of them react to the day's events, such as the falling of Communism, and wonder when will be the right time to let FA loose on the world. This reminded me of Cap #155 where the 1950s Cap & Bucky were kept in containment chambers and let loose due to the changing events outside (Nixon visiting China). In both cases, the news from outside was indicative of warming relations with former enemies.

Now, here are two things I don't understand. FA is the result of the living brother Nelson's mind being put into that of his strong, deceased brother Johnny. But when he finally becomes FA, he has Nelson's blond hair, not Johnny's dark hair. Also, the costume is changed from the original FA so that now his blond hair can be seen, as on the depiction of FA on the cover. He looks like the original FA, with the mask covering his hair, until page 19, when he fights off a bunch of wrestlers. I assume one of the wrestlers simply tore the top half of his mask off during the scuffle, revealing FA's hair, and he just decided to keep it that way. But we are not shown this, it is never referred to in the script, and it doesn't look all ripped as if torn.

Anyway, I was surprised that the book wasn't all that bad. If you see it in a cheap box, as I did, it may be worth picking up.

Rob

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Re: Fighting American #1 (1763)

Posted by Batroc on August 20, 1997 at 20:20:30 PDT
in reply to Fighting American #1 (1762), posted by Rimes on August 20, 1997 at 20:11:27 PDT

> Yesterday I bought a copy of Fighting American #1. I had vaguely remembered seeing this series before, but had not bought it -- it was the recent off-topic discussion about FA on this board that convinced me to pick it up. By the way, i should mention that this particular FA #1, which I found sitting in a 50-cent discount box at the local shop, was not the original 1950s FA #1 nor the much-anticipated Liefeld FA #1, but the first of a five-issue series released by DC in 1994. The only name I recognized among the book's creative team was penciler Greg LaRocque, who had drawn a few issues of Avengers circa 1982. I found that the way LaRocque drew FA's legs on pages 2-3 reminded me of the way Steranko drew Cap's legs, shading it to make it look backlit (best way i can describe it).
> FA seemed a bit violent in the story, stepping on people's heads and kicking them where it hurts most. There were some modern touches with FA accidentally knocking a bungy-jumper off a bridge, and FA carrying a pager. FA & his brother are kept in a lab's containment chambers and the keepers of them react to the day's events, such as the falling of Communism, and wonder when will be the right time to let FA loose on the world. This reminded me of Cap #155 where the 1950s Cap & Bucky were kept in containment chambers and let loose due to the changing events outside (Nixon visiting China). In both cases, the news from outside was indicative of warming relations with former enemies.
> Now, here are two things I don't understand. FA is the result of the living brother Nelson's mind being put into that of his strong, deceased brother Johnny. But when he finally becomes FA, he has Nelson's blond hair, not Johnny's dark hair. Also, the costume is changed from the original FA so that now his blond hair can be seen, as on the depiction of FA on the cover. He looks like the original FA, with the mask covering his hair, until page 19, when he fights off a bunch of wrestlers. I assume one of the wrestlers simply tore the top half of his mask off during the scuffle, revealing FA's hair, and he just decided to keep it that way. But we are not shown this, it is never referred to in the script, and it doesn't look all ripped as if torn.
> Anyway, I was surprised that the book wasn't all that bad. If you see it in a cheap box, as I did, it may be worth picking up.
> Rob
>>>>Rob, if you are up att, E-mail me!!
Captain America beats Fighting American Hands down. BTL

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Re: New Cap Message Board (1764)

Posted by Jack Monroe on August 20, 1997 at 21:16:59 PDT
in reply to Re: New Cap Message Board (1758), posted by David Medinnus on August 19, 1997 at 22:26:24 PDT

> > The direct link to the board is at:

> > http://www.sigma.net/capt_am/chatboard/index.html

> > If you haven't registered yet, do so!

> > http://www.sigma.net/board_reg.html

> > Enjoy!

> Dooh! Forgot a closing ". AAAAAARGH!

> -DM

This link will not take me to register, am I doing something wrong?

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I just got e-mail from Jeph Loeb (1765)

Posted by stonecold on August 20, 1997 at 21:44:53 PDT

He told me that fighting America will come out on the third

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I just got e-mail from Jeph Loeb (1766)

Posted by stonecold on August 20, 1997 at 21:45:44 PDT

He told me that fighting America will come out on the third. Jamie e-mail me and the rest

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Question about the "Favorite Writer" poll (1767)

Posted by Rimes on August 21, 1997 at 00:57:44 PDT

Okay, I went to the Star-Spangled Site to answer the poll. I saw that we were to choose from a group of pre-selected writers. Okay...But then I saw that Roger Stern, one of my favorites, wasn't on the list! And Rick Leonardi and Mike Barr were! I know of Leonardi as an artist (notably of Cloak & Dagger in the 1980s), so what did he write of Cap? Also, Mike Barr, as far as i know, only wrote a few Cap fill-in issues here & there. I'm not knocking Barr -- I very much enjoyed his Batman -- but what Cap stuff of significance has he written? I thought I knew a lot about Cap until I came across that poll....Tell me the stories I missed out on!

I know Roy Thomas didn't write many Caps (he was editor during the Englehart days, and wrote a few stories in early 1990s annuals, if memory serves), but his work overall -- including Avengers and Invaders comics with Cap -- justified his inclusion.

Jeph Loeb is also on the list, as well as Liefeld. How long has Loeb been writing the book? And do you folks really think his writing is better than Stern's writing on Cap?

Also, I don't think Jack Kirby was listed among the nominees for favorite writer either. Let's not forget that he wrote for Cap as well as drew it. His Bicentennial Battles book is one of my favorite Cap comics.

Ah well, I voted for Englehart anyway. He had the most interesting run on Cap.

Rob


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Batman/Captain America Review (long post!) (1768)

Posted by Bubba2 on August 21, 1997 at 07:45:17 PDT

I'm sitting here looking at my bagged copy of John Byrne's Batman and Captain America that I bought some months ago for $6 (yes, $6.00! The price may seem steep, but this story is worth it!). Here for your reference is a short review of this book, but first, the spoiler space (please don't read any further if you don't want the story spoiled for you!):


S
P
O
I
L
E
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S

That oughta do it! Anyway, this issue is an Elseworlds title put out jointly by DC and Marvel. John Byrne is the writer/artist, Patricia Mulvihill does the coloring, and Jamison is listed as the color separator. Now, I'm not a huge fan of Byrne's art, but he does a capable job of rendering the Silver (or is that Golden?) age Batman, Cap, Robin, and Bucky (yes, the one and only true Bucky Barnes!). The art is a little cluttered in places and the coloring seems a little off as well (but it sure beats the hell out of a Liefeld drawn story!). Batman and Cap are the old, happy renditions of Bruce Wayne and Steve Rogers (before comics became gritty and before the Dark Knight became really dark!). Nice silver age feel to the art work, but the story is better than the art.

Story Synopsis:
Joker is up to something and Batman and Robin (yes, Dick Grayson!) think it is linked to something the U.S. government is working on called the Gotham Project (yes, it does have a Prof named Oppenheimer working on it!). Of course, Joker initially eludes the Dynamic Duo so that we can shift gears to the European theatre of WWII. Here we have Cap and (this is one of the great portions of this book) Sgt. Rock and Easy Co. facing down a dastardly Nazi engine of death. Of course, Cap and Co. come out on top just as Bucky arrives with orders sending him and Cap back to the mainline for a secret mission. The mission--tail Bruce Wayne (military intelligence thinks he is in league with the Joker! No wonder "military intelligence" is an oxymoron!) and find out his connection to the Nazis. Cap does just that (as Steve Rogers), and subsequently ends up in the gratuitious good guy vs. good guy battle (although this one doesn't end like you think--get the book or let me know if you want the answer). Of course, Bats and Cap team up to go after the Joker, who is working for a mysterious person who turns out to be Caps arch foe (go ahead, guess!). At any rate, we end up with the interesting teaming of Cap and Robin to take on Joker while Bats and Bucky take on the other guy. As you might expect, there is much bickering between Bucky and Robin over who has the best teammate/job! Well, I'll stop the synopsis there except to add that in the end, the Joker turns on his "friend" when he discovers that he has inadvertently been working for Nazis. This treachery helps Bats and Cap win the fight. But that's not the end: In a typical Byrne twist, the story shifts to 20 years later. Dick Grayson (the new Batman) and his protege Bruce (a blonde Robin) are pursuing the Joker Jr. when they come upon some kind of iceberg. Further study shows that there is a person in that iceberg. A no-prize to whoever figures out where this storyline is leading! I'll save the conclusion for your reading pleasure!

Overall rating: The story is great. The book reads well, isn't too jumbled, the characters all seem right (except maybe the Joker). I really like the fight scene between Bats and Cap and the appreciation that Robin and Bucky come to have for each other. Written in a Silver Age style, this story portrays what I believe would really happen if the world's greatest detective met the world's greatest fighting machine. In other words, if you ain't got it, get it!

Happy Birthday,

Bubba2

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Re: Plaidy's Runs!!!!! euwwwwww!!!....and off topic... (1769)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 21, 1997 at 08:08:47 PDT
in reply to Re: Plaidy's Runs!!!!! euwwwwww!!!....and off topic... (1761), posted by Rimes on August 20, 1997 at 19:38:54 PDT


> > Isn't this a little off topic and graphic???

> > Big Buddy Ned

> Yes, and I'm surprised that it hasn't been, er, wiped......

> Rob

Yeah!!!!heeheehee Please tell me that you are going over to the new Cap board....

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New Cap Board To Feature Fighting American Graphic!!!!! (1770)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 21, 1997 at 08:10:34 PDT

heeheehee just kidding....... but I am curious as to who is going to be heading over to the New Cap Board.....please respond here ....or there....

Ned

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Re: New Cap Message Board (1771)

Posted by RklssAbndn on August 21, 1997 at 09:22:57 PDT
in reply to Re: New Cap Message Board (1764), posted by Jack Monroe on August 20, 1997 at 21:16:59 PDT

Yah! No link there...how do you register for the new board?>


Reckless

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Re: New Cap Board To Feature Fighting American Graphic!!!!! (1772)

Posted by Bubba2 on August 21, 1997 at 09:29:06 PDT
in reply to New Cap Board To Feature Fighting American Graphic!!!!! (1770), posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 21, 1997 at 08:10:34 PDT

> heeheehee just kidding....... but I am curious as to who is going to be heading over to the New Cap Board.....please respond here ....or there....

> Ned

Yo, Ned! I'm heading over there! I know that Patriot, Dave, Plaidy, and others are there as well. It is even rumored that a certain flag draped super-hero may make an appearance in the near future!

Happy birthday,

Bubba2

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Re: My Favorite Captain America Scene (1773)

Posted by Reckless Abandon on August 21, 1997 at 09:29:55 PDT
in reply to Re: My Favorite Captain America Scene (1749), posted by Rimes on August 19, 1997 at 12:20:30 PDT

I think my favorite scene was on the Byrne run, at the end of the "Ghosts of Greymoor Castle" when he leaves you with a helpless, hypnotized cap in the clutches of Baron Blood, fangs hovering over Caps neck. I remember waiting a month to see how cap got out of that one. When Blood broke his teeth on Caps chainmail, I was hysterical with laughter. Later in that story though, Cap beheads Blood with the edge of his shield. It was a great moment, very much in the style of pulp novels, very vintage. I also liked all the bits with Spitfire as an older woman, using her speed to help with the gardening and such. Sad and humorous at the same time.

Reckless.


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Re: New Cap Board To Feature Fighting American Graphic!!!!! (1774)

Posted by David Medinnus on August 21, 1997 at 10:39:55 PDT
in reply to New Cap Board To Feature Fighting American Graphic!!!!! (1770), posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 21, 1997 at 08:10:34 PDT

> heeheehee just kidding.......

Swine! :)

-DM

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Re: Question about the "Favorite Writer" poll (1775)

Posted by David Medinnus on August 21, 1997 at 10:44:41 PDT
in reply to Question about the "Favorite Writer" poll (1767), posted by Rimes on August 21, 1997 at 00:57:44 PDT

> Okay, I went to the Star-Spangled Site to answer the poll. I saw that we were to choose from a group of pre-selected writers. Okay...But then I saw that Roger Stern, one of my favorites, wasn't on the list! And Rick Leonardi and Mike Barr were! I know of Leonardi as an artist (notably of Cloak & Dagger in the 1980s), so what did he write of Cap? Also, Mike Barr, as far as i know, only wrote a few Cap fill-in issues here & there. I'm not knocking Barr -- I very much enjoyed his Batman -- but what Cap stuff of significance has he written? I thought I knew a lot about Cap until I came across that poll....Tell me the stories I missed out on!

The explaination is quite simple; I goofed. I've added them to the list, as well as John Byrne.

Mea Culpa!

-DM

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Well, it has finally happened.... (1776)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 21, 1997 at 12:36:12 PDT

....I'm #10000!!!! Woooooooooooooooooooooooooo hhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooooo!!!!! Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnn!!! Who says I'm losing my touch,huh? It's probably because I'm the only one who visits this place still! And no, I didn't reload!! Anyways, so uh...where's that prize! Uh....hello? Anybody here? Hellllooooooooooo?????

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

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Re: Well, it has finally happened.... (1777)

Posted by Greenskin on August 21, 1997 at 13:30:50 PDT
in reply to Well, it has finally happened.... (1776), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 21, 1997 at 12:36:12 PDT

> ....I'm #10000!!!! Woooooooooooooooooooooooooo hhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooooo!!!!! Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnn!!! Who says I'm losing my touch,huh? It's probably because I'm the only one who visits this place still! And no, I didn't reload!! Anyways, so uh...where's that prize! Uh....hello? Anybody here? Hellllooooooooooo?????


> Cya
> The Plaid Skull

> Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

Maybe your slogan should be: whenever a milestone is reached on message board the Plaid ______ was there!!!!Oh and all of your fabulous "vapor" prize(s)have been sent via UPS. Woops, Sorry Plaid. I guess you'll have to wait.

Red white Blue and Greenskin

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Plaidy...um... READ THE POSTS ON THE NEW CAP BOARD, Ya GOOF!!!! (1778)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 21, 1997 at 14:20:59 PDT

No responses to any of my thought provoking posts or replies???? Sheesh!!!!!

A Neglected Ned

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Re: Plaidy...um... READ THE POSTS ON THE NEW CAP BOARD, Ya GOOF!!!! (1779)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 21, 1997 at 15:35:23 PDT
in reply to Plaidy...um... READ THE POSTS ON THE NEW CAP BOARD, Ya GOOF!!!! (1778), posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 21, 1997 at 14:20:59 PDT

> No responses to any of my thought provoking posts or replies???? Sheesh!!!!!

> A Neglected Ned

What about 'em? BTW, ya like the banner? Pretty cool!


Cya
The Plaid Skull


Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

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Re: The Prize (1780)

Posted by David Medinnus on August 21, 1997 at 15:39:35 PDT
in reply to Well, it has finally happened.... (1776), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 21, 1997 at 12:36:12 PDT

> ....I'm #10000!!!! Woooooooooooooooooooooooooo hhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooooo!!!!! Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnn!!! Who says I'm losing my touch,huh? It's probably because I'm the only one who visits this place still! And no, I didn't reload!! Anyways, so uh...where's that prize! Uh....hello? Anybody here? Hellllooooooooooo?????

I am sending you your prize! Would you prefer an action figure or XL t-shirt?

Oh, and you should send me in private email your mailing address... :)

-DM

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What If...Cap were revived until today? (1781)

Posted by Tobin Kennedy on August 21, 1997 at 15:47:55 PDT

I know that somebody asked the questions as to what issue numbers this story occured in. In my what if collection I've got three such examples I list them for you with credits.


What If... Captain America Were Not Revived Until Today? (vol 1)#44 - published April 1984

Writer.......................Peter B. Gillis
Penciller...................Sal Buscema
Inker........................Dave Simons
Letterer....................John Morelli
Colorist.....................George Roussos
Editor.......................Ralph Macchio
Chief........................Jim Shooter

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What If...Captain America Had Led An Army of Super Soldiers in World War II? (vol 2)#28 - published August 1991

Writer........................Geogre Caragonne
Penciler.....................Ron Wilson
Inker..........................Ralph Cabrera
Letter.........................Janice Chiang
Colorist.......................Tom Vincent
Editor.........................Craig Anderson
Editor In Chief............Tom DeFalco

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What If...Captain America Had Formed the Avengers? (vol. 2)#29 - published Semptember 1991 *note: this is a continuation of the above story*

Writer........................Geogre Caragonne
Penciler.....................Ron Wilson
Inker..........................Ralph Cabrera
Letter.........................Janice Chiang
Colorists......................Vincent & Javins
Editor.........................Craig Anderson
Editor In Chief............Tom DeFalco

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What If...Captain America Were Revived Today (part #1)? (vol. 2)#67 - published November 1994

Writer.........................Chuck Dixon
Penciler......................Darrio Carrasco, Jr.
Inker..........................Tim Dzon
Letterer......................Janice Chiang
Colorist.......................Bob Sharen
Editor.........................Tokar & Javins
Editor In Chief............Tom DeFalco

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What If...Captain America Were Revived Today (part #2)? (vol. 2) #68 - published December 1994 *note: this is a continuation of the above story *

Writer.........................Chuck Dixon
Penciler......................Darrio Carrasco, Jr.
Inker..........................Tim Dzon
Letterer......................Janice Chiang
Colorist.......................Bob Sharen
Editor.........................Tokar & Javins
Editor In Chief............Tom DeFalco

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


There you go. Oh yeah I'll post this on the new Cap board as soon as our soon to be ex-moderator sends me the information needed.

Tobin

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Re: The Prize (1782)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 21, 1997 at 15:54:41 PDT
in reply to Re: The Prize (1780), posted by David Medinnus on August 21, 1997 at 15:39:35 PDT

> > ....I'm #10000!!!! Woooooooooooooooooooooooooo hhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooooo!!!!! Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnn!!! Who says I'm losing my touch,huh? It's probably because I'm the only one who visits this place still! And no, I didn't reload!! Anyways, so uh...where's that prize! Uh....hello? Anybody here? Hellllooooooooooo?????
>
> I am sending you your prize! Would you prefer an action figure or XL t-shirt?

> Oh, and you should send me in private email your mailing address... :)

> -DM

A shirt? An action figure? I thought I was gonna get my name posted on some page or somethin'! Whatta' gyp!!! "CONGRATULATIONS TO THE PLAID SKULL FOR BEING THE #10000 VISITOR TO THE CAP BOARD!" *sigh* I can dream can't I?:(


Cya
The Plaid Skull


Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

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Re: The Prize (1783)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 21, 1997 at 16:04:08 PDT
in reply to Re: The Prize (1782), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 21, 1997 at 15:54:41 PDT

> > > ....I'm #10000!!!! Woooooooooooooooooooooooooo hhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooooo!!!!! Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnn!!! Who says I'm losing my touch,huh? It's probably because I'm the only one who visits this place still! And no, I didn't reload!! Anyways, so uh...where's that prize! Uh....hello? Anybody here? Hellllooooooooooo?????
> >
> > I am sending you your prize! Would you prefer an action figure or XL t-shirt?

> > Oh, and you should send me in private email your mailing address... :)

> > -DM

> A shirt? An action figure? I thought I was gonna get my name posted on some page or somethin'! Whatta' gyp!!! "CONGRATULATIONS TO THE PLAID SKULL FOR BEING THE #10000 VISITOR TO THE CAP BOARD!" *sigh* I can dream can't I?:(


>
> Cya
> The Plaid Skull

>
> Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

Oh,yeah! And if I get my name posted on some page it would be cheaper! It would also boost my over-inflated ego too!! Hee hee hee!:


Cya
The Plaid Skull

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my discussion forum (1784)

Posted by WAR on August 21, 1997 at 17:00:36 PDT

i would be honored if you guys would stop by my discussion forum and just say hi!!!!!
(although it's mainly x-men,we talk about the whole marvel universe!!!)

www.netleague.com/wwwboards/XMen/

THANX!!!

WAR

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CONGRATULATIONS TO THE PLAID SKULL FOR BEING THE #10000 VISITOR TO THE CAP BOARD! (1785)

Posted by David Medinnus on August 21, 1997 at 17:39:34 PDT

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE PLAID SKULL FOR BEING THE #10000 VISITOR TO THE CAP BOARD!

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Re: The Prize (1786)

Posted by Dave Medinnus on August 21, 1997 at 17:40:55 PDT
in reply to Re: The Prize (1783), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 21, 1997 at 16:04:08 PDT


> Oh,yeah! And if I get my name posted on some page it would be cheaper! It would also boost my over-inflated ego too!! Hee hee hee!:

So...does that mean you don't want the real prize? :-P

-DM

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Re: Plaidy...um... READ THE POSTS ON THE NEW CAP BOARD, Ya GOOF!!!! (1787)

Posted by Falcon on August 21, 1997 at 17:53:23 PDT
in reply to Re: Plaidy...um... READ THE POSTS ON THE NEW CAP BOARD, Ya GOOF!!!! (1779), posted by The Plaid Skull on August 21, 1997 at 15:35:23 PDT


> > No responses to any of my thought provoking posts or replies???? Sheesh!!!!!

> > A Neglected Ned

> What about 'em? BTW, ya like the banner? Pretty cool!


>
> Cya
> The Plaid Skull

>
> Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!

That glowing cube hurts my eyes something fierce. Nice effect.

Falcon

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Jamie (1788)

Posted by Fighting a,erica/ agent america on August 21, 1997 at 18:18:33 PDT

Fighting america will come out is sept and oct. then in dec a new 4 part mina will come out then. then in april anther four part will come out

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Hey, Plaidy! (1789)

Posted by Rimes on August 21, 1997 at 20:07:54 PDT
in reply to Re: Plaidy...um... READ THE POSTS ON THE NEW CAP BOARD, Ya GOOF!!!! (1787), posted by Falcon on August 21, 1997 at 17:53:23 PDT


Plaid,

I hope you caught my post on the Thor board, in reply to your post "Poooollllllll," concerning new boards. Put me down for the non-Marvel/non-DC board. It can be a place where new independents could be discussed, and also old non-Marvel/non-DC comics.

Rob

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Re: CONGRATULATIONS TO THE PLAID SKULL FOR BEING THE #10000 VISITOR TO THE CAP BOARD! (1790)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 21, 1997 at 21:55:14 PDT
in reply to CONGRATULATIONS TO THE PLAID SKULL FOR BEING THE #10000 VISITOR TO THE CAP BOARD! (1785), posted by David Medinnus on August 21, 1997 at 17:39:34 PDT

> CONGRATULATIONS TO THE PLAID SKULL FOR BEING THE #10000 VISITOR TO THE CAP BOARD!

Err...thanks! I guess!

Cya
The Plaid Skull


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Re: Hey, Plaidy! (1791)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 21, 1997 at 22:28:35 PDT
in reply to Hey, Plaidy! (1789), posted by Rimes on August 21, 1997 at 20:07:54 PDT

>
> Plaid,

> I hope you caught my post on the Thor board, in reply to your post "Poooollllllll," concerning new boards. Put me down for the non-Marvel/non-DC board. It can be a place where new independents could be discussed, and also old non-Marvel/non-DC comics.

> Rob

Yep! I got your vote, Rob! There's something strange about the banner! It looks distorted! Something's wrong with the Skull's jaw and finger and I guess folks can barely see Bucky and Cap in there!

Cya
The Plaid Skull

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Re: What If...Cap were revived until today? (1792)

Posted by Rimes on August 21, 1997 at 23:23:55 PDT
in reply to What If...Cap were revived until today? (1781), posted by Tobin Kennedy on August 21, 1997 at 15:47:55 PDT

Great post, Tobin! By the way, one of the things i didn't like about the 1990s Cap movie was that Cap was revived today...I felt it didn't make any sense...Cap was meant to be revived when he was in Avengers #4. That comic was cover-dated March 1964, which means it must have appeared on the newstands in December, 1963 (comics being dated a few months ahead), shortly after the assassination of President Kennedy. Just as the country was reeling from the assassination, asking "how could this happen here," the symbol of America returns. How appropriate it was that the cop who greeted Cap on page 10 of Avengers #4 begins to shed tears at his return -- "just when the world has need of such a man -- just like fate planned it this way!"

As Roger Stern pointed out in Cap #246 (June 1980), "Cap's stories always mirrored what was going on in the nation at the time." How appropriate then that Cap was revived when he was and the way he was. Just as America had become a nation in mourning over the loss of a President (and, perhaps, effected by a loss of innocence that continued with the war in Vietnam and the Watergate scandal), so Cap mourned the loss of his partner, Bucky. Seen in that context, I can think of no more appropriate time and manner for Cap to have been revived than the way he was in Avengers #4 following the real-life events in Dallas. As i said, I felt the manner and time of Cap's return as portrayed in the 1990s movie was less effective. And I feel that if they ever did do a movie and wanted to do it right, they'd have to tell the whole story, the way it appeared in the comics.

By the way, thanks for the list of What If issues on this subject. Is there a list of Cap appearances outside his own comic, I wonder? (I think Michael Kaiser had an incomplete list at his Sentinel of Liberty site.) Such a list could include all the Cap issues of What If, Marvel Fanfare, stories in Marvel Comics Presents, etc. There is some great Cap stuff in those various titles (such as the Roger Stern/Frank Miller Cap story in the old Marvel Fanfare) that is worth adding to my Cap collection! I'd also add that Ann Nocenti-written issue of DD guest-starring Cap (circa "Streets of Poison") that is a great story no Cap fan should miss.

Anyway, i notice that Cap is scheduled to be in an upcoming issue of WHAT IF. The issue (#103) is scheduled to be released on October 15th, and is by Bill Rosemann & Dan Fraga (I recognize neither name...anyone know their work?). The plot: "What if Captain America had saved the life of the inventor of the Super Soldier serum?! He would awaken to an America completely changed by his actions!" Interesting premise!

Rob

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