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mr's captain america (1959)

Posted by herby on September 08, 1997 at 04:46:07 PDT

is there any one that can explain who!! this is ive seen a small
picture but have been unable to find any info on her your time would
be much appreceated

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Re: No wonder.... (1960)

Posted by herby on September 08, 1997 at 05:11:52 PDT
in reply to No wonder.... (1945), posted by Falcon on September 05, 1997 at 19:07:57 PDT


>
> >
> > > ...the tribute to Supes

> > >

> had the addy wrong! Somebody shoot me! And disregard the previous post.

> Falcon

im glad you got it right falcon great picture
herby

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Re: am I alone on this???? (1961)

Posted by herby on September 08, 1997 at 05:34:19 PDT
in reply to am I alone on this???? (1911), posted by WAR on August 31, 1997 at 20:32:58 PDT


> Am I like,the only person that likes the HR cap better than the regular cap????

> A Wondering War

> p.s.I like the eagle on his forehead better than the "A"

well i like the new captain america for one the drawings are good
and the storys ( i for one have been there since issue 1 ) but i also
belive a lot of readers should have stuck in there for cap as most comics have a wonky start to them and i like both the "a" and the eagle herby

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Am I the Lukiest Guy in the World or What? (1962)

Posted by Tony Stark on September 08, 1997 at 05:42:45 PDT
in reply to Re: Rob makes fun of Waid and Garey (1953), posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on September 07, 1997 at 12:38:04 PDT

None of the stores here in St. Marys are selling Fighting American or anything from Rob's company. Not that I would look at them for fear of gastrointestinal pain and severe migraines.

Tony Stark

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Re: The Vow (1963)

Posted by Bubba2 on September 08, 1997 at 07:58:18 PDT
in reply to The Vow (1958), posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on September 07, 1997 at 17:25:24 PDT

>
> > > Well, very few people can look at a situation where they are wrong and cop to it. And lets not forget that they aren't OUR issues, and he's not on our book anymore. So...let him have problems. This affects us not a bit if we ignore him.

> > I really should have taken your advice and ignored it, but Im a sucker for patriotic heros so I bought it. Whatta mistake.

> > Rob and Jeph (who no one ever blamed for that horrible run on Heroes Reborn, he was just as guilty..) can't seem to make up their minds on
> > who the big bad FA is fighting. The year is 1954, indicating that the Nazis are gone and the Russians are the enemy now. This is proven by
> > the appearence of the hammer and sickle logo. Yet the "Russian" troops are all wearing Nazi style helmets and the officer even has a german eagle on his hat. Russians wear RED STARS on their hats.
> > Then FA attacks the "commies" and the fighting begins. Then FA proceeds to blow up a bunker, yet it has a NAZI flag on it!!!

> > Aside from the historical inconsistancies, the story and art were terrible never shall I buy a Liefield product again, this I vow!!

> > HP
> > 

> Hmmmmmm..... I made this same vow after X-Force #6 or so.
> As far as inconsistancies, Liefeld has never done his homework (not that he is the only ignorant comic writer in the business) on the books he writes. His geography, history, characterizations, references or lack thereof, and most obviously his artwork show a blatant disregard for hard work and striving for personal or professional growth. Simply put..... the boy is lazy. If he doesn't care about the quality of the garbage that he puts out, then why in the world would I buy it???

> A Doller Conscious Ned

Well, I didn't buy the book either, even though I did look through it at the store! Just glancing at the pages showed major flaws and major similarities to Rob's HR Crap--let me mention some flaws (which, btw, also serve as some similarities!). FA's shield has that mysterious power of shifting arms between panels, and his belt disappears at a moments notice (not to mention the fact that his belt buckle has shape changing capabilities!). Rob has no idea how many stripes are on the American flag (nor which color the flag's stripes ends with!). Someone has already mentioned the Nazi/Commie mix up, but did anyone else notice the similarity between this plot and certain Rambo movies? Well, at the very least, we can say the ol Robbie is consistent--consistently bad!

Happy Birthday,

Bubba2

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Re: mr's captain america (1964)

Posted by Gaijin on September 08, 1997 at 10:11:02 PDT
in reply to mr's captain america (1959), posted by herby on September 08, 1997 at 04:46:07 PDT

> is there any one that can explain who!! this is ive seen a small
> picture but have been unable to find any info on her your time would
> be much appreceated

What are you talking about?!
Gaijin

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Re: Commies and Nazi's.... There is a difference (1965)

Posted by Ulti-Matt! on September 08, 1997 at 13:21:07 PDT
in reply to Commies and Nazi's.... There is a difference (1957), posted by HP Wagtone on September 07, 1997 at 16:53:55 PDT

HP wrote:

> I really should have taken your advice and ignored it, but Im a sucker for patriotic heros so I bought it. Whatta mistake.

I was lucky enough to have the chance to read a friend's copy. My goodness, this comic was bad.

> Rob and Jeph (who no one ever blamed for that horrible run on Heroes Reborn, he was just as guilty..)

And that's what gets me about Loeb. He can write a good story, i.e. his Batman work with Tim Sale. But whenever he gets around Liefeld, Liefeld's black hole of amaturism sucks Loeb in.

> can't seem to make up their minds on who the big bad FA is fighting. The year is 1954, indicating that the Nazis are gone and the Russians are the enemy now. This is proven by
> the appearence of the hammer and sickle logo. Yet the "Russian" troops are all wearing Nazi style helmets and the officer even has a german eagle on his hat. Russians wear RED STARS on their hats.
> Then FA attacks the "commies" and the fighting begins. Then FA proceeds to blow up a bunker, yet it has a NAZI flag on it!!!

That happened because those pages are leftovers from Rob's terrible run on CAP. Liefeld said FIGHTING AMERICAN wasn't going to include any reused CAP material.

He lied.

> Aside from the historical inconsistancies, the story and art were terrible never shall I buy a Liefield product again, this I vow!!

I'm a big Alan Moore fan, and I once made a joke that I'd buy anything Moore wrote, even if it was drawn by a piece-of-crap artist like Liefeld. Well, I'm suffering through Moore's JUDGEMENT DAY, and Liefeld's pencils make it hard to enjoy the story at all. He's just a tarrible artist. He doesn't give a damn.

Ulti-Matt!, who also doesn't give a damn, but as least I don't act like I do

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Re: Who would've thunk it? (1966)

Posted by Ulti-Matt! Yee-Haw! on September 08, 1997 at 13:26:20 PDT
in reply to Who would've thunk it? (1922), posted by Starving Writer on September 04, 1997 at 14:15:39 PDT

Starving writer writed:

> Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.)

But how many did they order? My shop ordered what was pre-ordered and ten more. There're eight still on the shelf.

> Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there?

A few. Most are blind. Some, like rec.arts.comics.marvel's own Christian Viola, are friggin' idiots.

Ulti-Matt!, friggin'

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BURN HIM! (1967)

Posted by Ulti-Matt! on September 08, 1997 at 13:28:35 PDT
in reply to am I alone on this???? (1911), posted by WAR on August 31, 1997 at 20:32:58 PDT

> Am I like,the only person that likes the HR cap better than the regular cap????

Yep. Prepare for assimilation.

> A Wondering War

> p.s.I like the eagle on his forehead better than the "A"

I didn't mind this, myself, until Cap pulled it off. Then, I was cheering.

Ulti-Matt!, matches in hand

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Re: mr's captain america (1968)

Posted by The Red Spider on September 08, 1997 at 14:39:08 PDT
in reply to Re: mr's captain america (1964), posted by Gaijin on September 08, 1997 at 10:11:02 PDT

> > is there any one that can explain who!! this is ive seen a small
> > picture but have been unable to find any info on her your time would
> > be much appreceated

> What are you talking about?!
> Gaijin

Perhaps he is talking about Ms. America, mother of Nuklo and wife of the original Whizzer. I think she died during child-birth. Thank you for your time,

The Red Spider

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Re: Who would've thunk it? (1969)

Posted by Starving Writer on September 08, 1997 at 15:46:30 PDT
in reply to Re: Who would've thunk it? (1966), posted by Ulti-Matt! Yee-Haw! on September 08, 1997 at 13:26:20 PDT

> Starving writer writed:

Psst... that should be "wrote"

> > Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.)

> But how many did they order? My shop ordered what was pre-ordered and ten more. There're eight still on the shelf.

Dunno. But the shop owner did say they sold out via subscription. So he probably just only ordered what was pre-ordered. Shame, I was really looking forward to burning that comic...

> > Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there?

> A few. Most are blind. Some, like rec.arts.comics.marvel's own Christian Viola, are friggin' idiots.

> Ulti-Matt!, friggin'

That was an insult to idiots everywhere.

Starving Writer

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Re: Who would've thunk it? (1970)

Posted by Albert B. Ching on September 08, 1997 at 20:08:33 PDT
in reply to Re: Who would've thunk it? (1955), posted by Starving Writer on September 07, 1997 at 13:31:57 PDT

> > > > > Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.)
> > > > > Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there?
> > > > > Starving Writer
> > > > Yes. I've encountered quite a bit of sane, rational Leifeld fans. He is actually, pretty popular. Don't let internet hype cloud your judgement.
> > > > ALbert
> > > After meeting CMV on the usenet, it'll be hard for me to imagine a Liefeld fan being sane and rational.
> > > But I'll try. :)
> > > Starving Writer
> > Actually, Christian Viola was the rational Lifeld fan I was referring to.
> > Albert
> If CMV is a rational and sane LIEfeld fan, I'd hate to meet an irrational, insane LIEfeld fan...
> Starving Writer
FINE!! Okay, I was kidding!
Albert

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Re: Who would've thunk it? (1971)

Posted by damaged on September 08, 1997 at 20:22:28 PDT
in reply to Who would've thunk it? (1922), posted by Starving Writer on September 04, 1997 at 14:15:39 PDT


> Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.)

> Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there?

> Starving Writer

I WISH I COULD SEE A PICTURE OF YOUR HEAD BURNING ALL OVER THE NET...

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Re: Who would've thunk it? (1972)

Posted by Albert Ching on September 08, 1997 at 20:27:42 PDT
in reply to Re: Who would've thunk it? (1971), posted by damaged on September 08, 1997 at 20:22:28 PDT

>
> > Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.)
> > Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there?
> > Starving Writer
> I WISH I COULD SEE A PICTURE OF YOUR HEAD BURNING ALL OVER THE NET...
SHEESH! You REALLY think, that after all the trouble I got it for posting the "Starving Writer's HEAD BURNING ALL OVER THE NET" picture, I'll go and do it _again_? :)
Albert

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Re: I'm Baaaaaaaaaccccccckkkkkk!!!! (1973)

Posted by DAMAGED on September 08, 1997 at 20:28:13 PDT
in reply to I'm Baaaaaaaaaccccccckkkkkk!!!! (1900), posted by TJ Burns on August 29, 1997 at 22:54:29 PDT


> I have finally made it back on-line!

> So what's new?

>
> TJB

ME

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Re: batman vs. captain america! (1974)

Posted by DAMAGED on September 08, 1997 at 20:39:46 PDT
in reply to batman vs. captain america! (1860), posted by razi ingber on August 27, 1997 at 02:52:02 PDT


> who do you think will win: batman or captain america?

Batman will kick the living fuck out of him. Captain America won't know what hit him. I think that even robin would flog him sencless

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Re: Long Overdue... (1975)

Posted by DAMADGED on September 08, 1997 at 20:46:39 PDT
in reply to Long Overdue... (1879), posted by Batroc on August 27, 1997 at 17:00:22 PDT


> > > They are being deleted, just ask Dave.
> > > And for the record, Jamie aka "American Nazi" has been permanently banned.
> > > Alvaro
> > Hey Alvaro!!! Is it really you, ya big Swedish Weenie!!! Email me and let's talk.
> > The Real Sam (last I checked that is):-)
> >>>> I hate to say it but Jamie had it coming. If this is the real Alvaro, thanks for the Board space and
> "Diamond" Dave Medinnus is a good moderator even if he won't hang out on the chat board late at night. Now THAT is the way of honor, the way of Batroc the Leaper.

Don't come apart on us Batroc you leaper.

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INTRODUCTION (1976)

Posted by DAMAGED on September 08, 1997 at 20:55:41 PDT

Hi Im damaged from Australia.
You might think I'm a bit weird but thats only because I am.
I was just wondering why doesn't cap ever get a root, he got so close with diamond back but he backed out, what is he gay.

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Hello and Goodbye (1977)

Posted by Batroc on September 08, 1997 at 21:01:56 PDT
in reply to INTRODUCTION (1976), posted by DAMAGED on September 08, 1997 at 20:55:41 PDT

> Hi Im damaged from Australia.
> You might think I'm a bit weird but thats only because I am.
> I was just wondering why doesn't cap ever get a root, he got so close with diamond back but he backed out, what is he gay.
>>>>Hello Jamie,,,,,, I guess I will see you on the "Rap with Cap"
Board??? NOT!!!!
Seriously, why are you trying to ruin this message board for the comic fans??
Medinnus and company have been exceedingly nice to you and you respond with ridicule and scorn. Think about it. BTL

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Re: Hello and Goodbye (1978)

Posted by The Red Spider on September 08, 1997 at 22:04:24 PDT
in reply to Hello and Goodbye (1977), posted by Batroc on September 08, 1997 at 21:01:56 PDT

> > Hi Im damaged from Australia.
> > You might think I'm a bit weird but thats only because I am.
> > I was just wondering why doesn't cap ever get a root, he got so close with diamond back but he backed out, what is he gay.
> >>>>Hello Jamie,,,,,, I guess I will see you on the "Rap with Cap"
> Board??? NOT!!!!
> Seriously, why are you trying to ruin this message board for the comic fans??
> Medinnus and company have been exceedingly nice to you and you respond with ridicule and scorn. Think about it. BTL

How do you know that is Jamie? He has a different IP address. Thank you for your time,

The Red Spider

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Re: Hello and Goodbye (1979)

Posted by Albert B. Ching on September 08, 1997 at 22:05:23 PDT
in reply to Re: Hello and Goodbye (1978), posted by The Red Spider on September 08, 1997 at 22:04:24 PDT

> > > Hi Im damaged from Australia.
> > > You might think I'm a bit weird but thats only because I am.
> > > I was just wondering why doesn't cap ever get a root, he got so close with diamond back but he backed out, what is he gay.
> > >>>>Hello Jamie,,,,,, I guess I will see you on the "Rap with Cap"
> > Board??? NOT!!!!
> > Seriously, why are you trying to ruin this message board for the comic fans??
> > Medinnus and company have been exceedingly nice to you and you respond with ridicule and scorn. Think about it. BTL
> How do you know that is Jamie? He has a different IP address. Thank you for your time,
> The Red Spider
Yup!! Definitely not Jamie, I could list a bunch of reasons why. No space between punctionations, for one thing.
Albert

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Re: INTRODUCTION (1980)

Posted by The Red Spider on September 08, 1997 at 22:26:37 PDT
in reply to INTRODUCTION (1976), posted by DAMAGED on September 08, 1997 at 20:55:41 PDT

> Hi Im damaged from Australia.
> You might think I'm a bit weird but thats only because I am.
> I was just wondering why doesn't cap ever get a root, he got so close with diamond back but he backed out, what is he gay.

Didn't Diamondback leave him so she can become Snapdragon? Welcome to the board. Thank you for your time,


The Red Spider

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Re: Hello and Goodbye (1981)

Posted by Damaged on September 09, 1997 at 03:20:46 PDT
in reply to Re: Hello and Goodbye (1979), posted by Albert B. Ching on September 08, 1997 at 22:05:23 PDT


> > > > Hi Im damaged from Australia.
> > > > You might think I'm a bit weird but thats only because I am.
> > > > I was just wondering why doesn't cap ever get a root, he got so close with diamond back but he backed out, what is he gay.
> > > >>>>Hello Jamie,,,,,, I guess I will see you on the "Rap with Cap"
> > > Board??? NOT!!!!
> > > Seriously, why are you trying to ruin this message board for the comic fans??
> > > Medinnus and company have been exceedingly nice to you and you respond with ridicule and scorn. Think about it. BTL
> > How do you know that is Jamie? He has a different IP address. Thank you for your time,
> > The Red Spider
> Yup!! Definitely not Jamie, I could list a bunch of reasons why. No space between punctionations, for one thing.
> Albert
Definitely not Jamie because I just read my birth certificate and it didn't say Jamie. By the way you spelt punctuations wrong. I might be weird but I'm not dumb.

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I'm not going anywhere (1982)

Posted by DAMAGED on September 09, 1997 at 03:44:04 PDT

I'm just a Captain America fan like the rest of you and just want to read and leave messages .

I didn't think that you were so fussy with punctuation.

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I'm not going anywhere (1983)

Posted by DAMAGED on September 09, 1997 at 03:44:09 PDT

I'm just a Captain America fan like the rest of you and just want to read and leave messages .

I didn't think that you were so fussy with punctuation.

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What do you think Plaid Spider?? (1984)

Posted by batroc on September 09, 1997 at 06:23:59 PDT
in reply to Re: Hello and Goodbye (1978), posted by The Red Spider on September 08, 1997 at 22:04:24 PDT

> > > Hi Im damaged from Australia.
> > > You might think I'm a bit weird but thats only because I am.
> > > I was just wondering why doesn't cap ever get a root, he got so close with diamond back but he backed out, what is he gay.
> > >>>>Hello Jamie,,,,,, I guess I will see you on the "Rap with Cap"
> > Board??? NOT!!!!
> > Seriously, why are you trying to ruin this message board for the comic fans??
> > Medinnus and company have been exceedingly nice to you and you respond with ridicule and scorn. Think about it. BTL

> How do you know that is Jamie? He has a different IP address. Thank you for your time,


> The Red Spider

Well, profanity, posting on old threads that deal w/Jamie boy's
banning. Maybe I'm homophobic and don't know it, but I didn't
like the post about Cap being gay. This just sounds like typical
Jamie immature stuff.
The Leaper also has two IP addresses and I think you and a few others
are aware of this.
I guess I had a gut feeling and I feel bad when I see people abusing
the board. I guess what I need to do is stay on the "Rap with Cap"
board and quit being concerned.
Where ever there is ruthlessness,,,,,, I mean, er Thank you for your
time. Batroc the Leaper

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Re: I'm not going anywhere (1985)

Posted by Bubba2 on September 09, 1997 at 06:42:27 PDT
in reply to I'm not going anywhere (1983), posted by DAMAGED on September 09, 1997 at 03:44:09 PDT

> I'm just a Captain America fan like the rest of you and just want to read and leave messages .

> I didn't think that you were so fussy with punctuation.

Punctuation ain't the problem here, Damaged, but insulting posts are! Now, I'll admit that your first post left lots to be desired, but I didn't find it as insulting as Jamie used to be. In response to your original question--no, Cap is not gay. If he was, then he'd be dating Falcon instead of all the women he's gone out with in the past. Also, there was an issue in which Cap confronted the gay issue with regards to someone he knew. IIRC, Cap basically said that he wouldn't choose the lifestyle, but he also wouldn't negatively judge someone how did. Someone else brought this issue up some months ago, could anyone give a better recap (pun intended)?

Happy Birthday,

Bubba

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Captain America (1986)

Posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on September 09, 1997 at 11:14:43 PDT

First I would like to say that I laughed big time when I saw that Rob Suckfield was comming out with a clone of Captain America. Then somehow, GOD ONLY KNOWS, he got premission to use Fighting American....what kind of moron is he. His Cap. was the worst in the glorious history of Captain America and soon he will realize that hardly anyone on this Earth thinks he is a good artist. He needs to get a job that he would be good at like collecting trash :-).......


Now I can not wait untill Captain Returns with Waid and Garney I have very high hopes for this series... Also I wish Marvel would get their heads out of their asses and start where the numbering left off the only ones who want a new Cap. #1 is the money hunger jerks that run Marvel.....Even the writies of the returning heroes wanted to start with the old numbers and no matter what they see Heroes Reborn will go down as one of the worst things that Marvel Comics ever did...


Hal/Wally in 2000

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Re: Captain America (1987)

Posted by Patriot on September 09, 1997 at 11:51:54 PDT
in reply to Captain America (1986), posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on September 09, 1997 at 11:14:43 PDT


> First I would like to say that I laughed big time when I saw that Rob Suckfield was comming out with a clone of Captain America. Then somehow, GOD ONLY KNOWS, he got premission to use Fighting American....what kind of moron is he. His Cap. was the worst in the glorious history of Captain America and soon he will realize that hardly anyone on this Earth thinks he is a good artist. He needs to get a job that he would be good at like collecting trash :-).......

>
> Now I can not wait untill Captain Returns with Waid and Garney I have very high hopes for this series... Also I wish Marvel would get their heads out of their asses and start where the numbering left off the only ones who want a new Cap. #1 is the money hunger jerks that run Marvel.....Even the writies of the returning heroes wanted to start with the old numbers and no matter what they see Heroes Reborn will go down as one of the worst things that Marvel Comics ever did...

>
> Hal/Wally in 2000

I didn't agree with the numbering scheme either. However, I recently read an interview with Kurt Busiek and he supported the numbering idea. I'm paraphraing but he said that he has a lot of faith in Himself and Waid to put out good work. He knows that 35% more comics will be sold with the #1 posted on them and therefor 35% more fans will see the good direction these characters are headed for. It kind of makes sense when you think of it.

Patriot.

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Re: Captain America (1988)

Posted by Bubba2 on September 09, 1997 at 11:59:47 PDT
in reply to Re: Captain America (1987), posted by Patriot on September 09, 1997 at 11:51:54 PDT


> >
> > Now I can not wait untill Captain Returns with Waid and Garney I have very high hopes for this series... Also I wish Marvel would get their heads out of their asses and start where the numbering left off the only ones who want a new Cap. #1 is the money hunger jerks that run Marvel.....Even the writies of the returning heroes wanted to start with the old numbers and no matter what they see Heroes Reborn will go down as one of the worst things that Marvel Comics ever did...

> >
> > Hal/Wally in 2000

> I didn't agree with the numbering scheme either. However, I recently read an interview with Kurt Busiek and he supported the numbering idea. I'm paraphraing but he said that he has a lot of faith in Himself and Waid to put out good work. He knows that 35% more comics will be sold with the #1 posted on them and therefor 35% more fans will see the good direction these characters are headed for. It kind of makes sense when you think of it.

> Patriot.

Patriot:

You and I usually see eye to eye on things, but I gotta disagree with this one. If simply putting a number 1 on a comic will bring in more readers (as opposed to more "collectors"), then every comic should be an issue #1! Or, barring that, each year they should reboot every title, so that we always have a new #1 to draw in new readers. Naw, I think #1s primarily draw in new speculator/collectors, and not readers. Readers are usually drawn to things like good stories and art (which the new titles will have in plenty!).

A disagreeable Bubba

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Re: Captain America (1989)

Posted by Patriot on September 09, 1997 at 12:45:04 PDT
in reply to Re: Captain America (1988), posted by Bubba2 on September 09, 1997 at 11:59:47 PDT


>
> Patriot:

> You and I usually see eye to eye on things, but I gotta disagree with this one. If simply putting a number 1 on a comic will bring in more readers (as opposed to more "collectors"), then every comic should be an issue #1! Or, barring that, each year they should reboot every title, so that we always have a new #1 to draw in new readers. Naw, I think #1s primarily draw in new speculator/collectors, and not readers. Readers are usually drawn to things like good stories and art (which the new titles will have in plenty!).

> A disagreeable Bubba

Fear not Bubba. You and I still see eye to eye on this one. I hate the numbering scheme. It is a tactic I hoped that Marvel wouldn't take. However, it was nice to see Kurt try to find some good in this situation. I'm not going to let the numbering problem stop me from picking up Cap or Avengers. I think we can also agree on this as well.

Patriot.

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I'm Going to the Bathroom (Was Re: I'm not going anywhere) (1990)

Posted by Ulti-Matt! on September 09, 1997 at 13:20:05 PDT
in reply to I'm not going anywhere (1983), posted by DAMAGED on September 09, 1997 at 03:44:09 PDT

Damaged wrote:

> I'm just a Captain America fan like the rest of you and just want to read and leave messages.

Good. I'm new here, too, but welcome.

Try to remember, some people won't share your opinions and some of those people will respond with anger. Let them be angry. And some people find offensive the notion that Cap must be gay because he isn't shown having sex. If they find that offensive, fine. Let them. Don't worry yourself.

Just about everything a person writes has the chance of pissing off someone.

> I didn't think that you were so fussy with punctuation.

That's not what Albert was saying. He wasn't teasing you about your punctuation at all.

I'm guessing there was a guy named Jamie who came here and acted like a jackass. When Batroc read your message about Cap being gay and found it offensive, he thought you might be this Jamie person in disguise. You aren't. Fine. No biggie.

That's it. Have fun.

(And as a side note, I think Cap and Sharon Carter got freaky a time or two.)

Ulti-Matt!, freaky

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Cap's OTHER other shield (1991)

Posted by Thomas Chamberlain on September 09, 1997 at 13:29:21 PDT

Does anyone know what happened to the shield that CAP used when he was "The Captain"? The one made by Tony Stark.

Tom

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Re: Captain America--Whew! (1992)

Posted by Bubba2 on September 09, 1997 at 14:08:00 PDT
in reply to Re: Captain America (1989), posted by Patriot on September 09, 1997 at 12:45:04 PDT

>
> >
> > Patriot:


> > A disagreeable Bubba

> Fear not Bubba. You and I still see eye to eye on this one. I hate the numbering scheme. It is a tactic I hoped that Marvel wouldn't take. However, it was nice to see Kurt try to find some good in this situation. I'm not going to let the numbering problem stop me from picking up Cap or Avengers. I think we can also agree on this as well.

> Patriot.
>

Patriot:

Well, now my world is once again safe and sane! Seriously, even though I look forward to the new writer/artist lineups on the Heroes Reborn titles, the numbering scheme seems to just be a gimmick (like all those enhanced covers) to drum up more buyers. The problem is that that trick gets old quick. I'd love to see Avengers, Iron Man, FF, and Captain America return to the old numbers. Especially since I've collected Cap since the early '70s!

A happier, more secure Bubba

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Re: Cap's OTHER, OTHER other shield (1993)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on September 09, 1997 at 14:13:59 PDT
in reply to Cap's OTHER other shield (1991), posted by Thomas Chamberlain on September 09, 1997 at 13:29:21 PDT

> Does anyone know what happened to the shield that CAP used when he was "The Captain"? The one made by Tony Stark.

> Tom

...... or his original .... which was broken. Remember this one???? it looked more like a traditional shield and like an early American flag design.

Archivist Ned

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Re: Cap's OTHER other shield (1994)

Posted by Chris Dekin on September 09, 1997 at 14:28:51 PDT
in reply to Cap's OTHER other shield (1991), posted by Thomas Chamberlain on September 09, 1997 at 13:29:21 PDT

> Does anyone know what happened to the shield that CAP used when he was "The Captain"? The one made by Tony Stark.
> Tom
I believe he gave it back to Tony in a Cap issue, maybe 339 or 340 was the issue number. He gave it back because of the whole armor wars thing.
As for the original? I'm assuming you mean the one in Captain America Comics #1. I just bought Cap 247 and it showed him finding it in an old footlocker.

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That's The Best Place To Read Comics! (1995)

Posted by Paradox on September 09, 1997 at 14:39:52 PDT
in reply to I'm Going to the Bathroom (Was Re: I'm not going anywhere) (1990), posted by Ulti-Matt! on September 09, 1997 at 13:20:05 PDT

> > I didn't think that you were so fussy with punctuation.

> That's not what Albert was saying. He wasn't teasing you about your punctuation at all.

> I'm guessing there was a guy named Jamie who came here and acted like a jackass. When Batroc read your message about Cap being gay and found it offensive, he thought you might be this Jamie person in disguise. You aren't. Fine. No biggie.

Yeah, Jamie was a real [filthy character assassination deleted]. And he has a penchant for pseudonyms. It was just a case of mistaken identity.

> That's it. Have fun.

> (And as a side note, I think Cap and Sharon Carter got freaky a time or two.)

> Ulti-Matt!, freaky

I think that about Steve and Bernie, too. Marvel has a habit of showing two people getting romantic, and then cutting to another scene, returning with a caption that says, "Sometime later. It's almost subtle.

'Dox out.

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What Does It Matter? (1996)

Posted by Paradox on September 09, 1997 at 14:49:45 PDT
in reply to Re: Captain America--Whew! (1992), posted by Bubba2 on September 09, 1997 at 14:08:00 PDT

> > Fear not Bubba. You and I still see eye to eye on this one. I hate the numbering scheme. It is a tactic I hoped that Marvel wouldn't take. However, it was nice to see Kurt try to find some good in this situation. I'm not going to let the numbering problem stop me from picking up Cap or Avengers. I think we can also agree on this as well.

> > Patriot.
> >

> Patriot:

> Well, now my world is once again safe and sane! Seriously, even though I look forward to the new writer/artist lineups on the Heroes Reborn titles, the numbering scheme seems to just be a gimmick (like all those enhanced covers) to drum up more buyers. The problem is that that trick gets old quick. I'd love to see Avengers, Iron Man, FF, and Captain America return to the old numbers. Especially since I've collected Cap since the early '70s!

> A happier, more secure Bubba

I've posted this elsewhere and no one's ever bothered to answer me. What difference does it make what number is on the cover? Isn't it what's inside that counts?

Not raggin' on ya, guys, I really don't understand.

'Dox out.

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Re: What Does It Matter? (1997)

Posted by Bubba2 on September 09, 1997 at 14:58:03 PDT
in reply to What Does It Matter? (1996), posted by Paradox on September 09, 1997 at 14:49:45 PDT

> > > Fear not Bubba. You and I still see eye to eye on this one. I hate the numbering scheme. It is a tactic I hoped that Marvel wouldn't take. However, it was nice to see Kurt try to find some good in this situation. I'm not going to let the numbering problem stop me from picking up Cap or Avengers. I think we can also agree on this as well.

> > > Patriot.
> > >

> > Patriot:

> > Well, now my world is once again safe and sane! Seriously, even though I look forward to the new writer/artist lineups on the Heroes Reborn titles, the numbering scheme seems to just be a gimmick (like all those enhanced covers) to drum up more buyers. The problem is that that trick gets old quick. I'd love to see Avengers, Iron Man, FF, and Captain America return to the old numbers. Especially since I've collected Cap since the early '70s!

> > A happier, more secure Bubba

> I've posted this elsewhere and no one's ever bothered to answer me. What difference does it make what number is on the cover? Isn't it what's inside that counts?

> Not raggin' on ya, guys, I really don't understand.

> 'Dox out.

Well, Dox, in a sense it doesn't matter if the story and art are good. Yet, in another way, it does matter to me in that changing the numbering at least implies a change in the character and an implicit (if not explicit) denial of all the history (i.e., the other issues) that went before. Let me put it to you like this--you've collected Captain America since it was numbered in the early 100's, and you have an almost complete collection up through the first Waid/Garney run. Now, you have the HR crap interrupting the flow and soon you'll have new numbers with which to contend. In other words, it spoils the sense of longevity of a title. Also, putting out another #1 just for the heck of it (i.e., as a gimmick to attract speculators) is just downright a waste of time! As I said before, if putting #1 on a comic will attract more consistent readers, then number them all #1! Of course, this trick wouldn't work, so they don't do it!

An explanatory Bubba

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Re: Cap's OTHER other shield (1998)

Posted by Patriot on September 09, 1997 at 15:10:43 PDT
in reply to Re: Cap's OTHER other shield (1994), posted by Chris Dekin on September 09, 1997 at 14:28:51 PDT


> > Does anyone know what happened to the shield that CAP used when he was "The Captain"? The one made by Tony Stark.
> > Tom
> I believe he gave it back to Tony in a Cap issue, maybe 339 or 340 was the issue number. He gave it back because of the whole armor wars thing.
> As for the original? I'm assuming you mean the one in Captain America Comics #1. I just bought Cap 247 and it showed him finding it in an old footlocker.

Chris is right. We never see Cap's adamantium shield after he gives it back to Stark after Armor Wars. However, I did write a piece of fan fict that had it stolen by Red Guardian III and that it's Tony's Shield that he slings in Russia.

Patriot.

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Gone For Good (1999)

Posted by Paradox on September 09, 1997 at 15:16:05 PDT
in reply to Re: Cap's OTHER other shield (1994), posted by Chris Dekin on September 09, 1997 at 14:28:51 PDT

As for the original? I'm assuming you mean the one in Captain America Comics #1. I just bought Cap 247 and it showed him finding it in an old footlocker.

That's the one Mr. Hyde smooshed in the Avengers big Masters of Evil war.

'Dox out.

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Maybe I Know (or not)? (2000)

Posted by Paradox on September 09, 1997 at 15:18:59 PDT
in reply to Re: Cap's OTHER other shield (1998), posted by Patriot on September 09, 1997 at 15:10:43 PDT

> Chris is right. We never see Cap's adamantium shield after he gives it back to Stark after Armor Wars. However, I did write a piece of fan fict that had it stolen by Red Guardian III and that it's Tony's Shield that he slings in Russia.

> Patriot.

I always assumed the sheild used by the Captain is the one now used by the USAgent. Isn't it?

'Dox out.

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Re: What Does It Matter? (2001)

Posted by Patriot on September 09, 1997 at 15:19:27 PDT
in reply to Re: What Does It Matter? (1997), posted by Bubba2 on September 09, 1997 at 14:58:03 PDT


> > I've posted this elsewhere and no one's ever bothered to answer me. What difference does it make what number is on the cover? Isn't it what's inside that counts?

> > Not raggin' on ya, guys, I really don't understand.

> > 'Dox out.

> Well, Dox, in a sense it doesn't matter if the story and art are good. Yet, in another way, it does matter to me in that changing the numbering at least implies a change in the character and an implicit (if not explicit) denial of all the history (i.e., the other issues) that went before. Let me put it to you like this--you've collected Captain America since it was numbered in the early 100's, and you have an almost complete collection up through the first Waid/Garney run. Now, you have the HR crap interrupting the flow and soon you'll have new numbers with which to contend. In other words, it spoils the sense of longevity of a title. Also, putting out another #1 just for the heck of it (i.e., as a gimmick to attract speculators) is just downright a waste of time! As I said before, if putting #1 on a comic will attract more consistent readers, then number them all #1! Of course, this trick wouldn't work, so they don't do it!

> An explanatory Bubba

I'll add to this by saying that by saying this is strictly a collector thing (I am a big time collector). We like to see the numbering continue so that it's there to remind us that there is a rich and long standing history with these characters. It's also a thrill to see your collection expand each month that passes.
I also want to point out that Marvel should not be the only one accused of using a gimmick to boost sales. DC has decided to release its Tangent Universe the same month Heroes Return comes out. Also, they've decided to do a "Faces of DC Month" with face shots of all the characters on the covers. I particularly don't want to see Lobo picking his nose the entire third week of the month. I'd say that Marvel has DC nervous and now they are resorting to gimmicks as well.

Patriot

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Re: Maybe I Know (or not)? (2002)

Posted by Patriot on September 09, 1997 at 15:22:24 PDT
in reply to Maybe I Know (or not)? (2000), posted by Paradox on September 09, 1997 at 15:18:59 PDT


> > Chris is right. We never see Cap's adamantium shield after he gives it back to Stark after Armor Wars. However, I did write a piece of fan fict that had it stolen by Red Guardian III and that it's Tony's Shield that he slings in Russia.

> > Patriot.

> I always assumed the sheild used by the Captain is the one now used by the USAgent. Isn't it?

> 'Dox out.

The one used by US Agent was made of vibranium and and given to him by Black Panther after Steve gave back the steel-gray shield. Read Cap #339-345 for details.

Patriot.

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Thanks For 'Splainin'. (2003)

Posted by Paradox on September 09, 1997 at 15:26:10 PDT
in reply to Re: What Does It Matter? (2001), posted by Patriot on September 09, 1997 at 15:19:27 PDT

> > Well, Dox, in a sense it doesn't matter if the story and art are good. Yet, in another way, it does matter to me in that changing the numbering at least implies a change in the character and an implicit (if not explicit) denial of all the history (i.e., the other issues) that went before. Let me put it to you like this--you've collected Captain America since it was numbered in the early 100's, and you have an almost complete collection up through the first Waid/Garney run. Now, you have the HR crap interrupting the flow and soon you'll have new numbers with which to contend. In other words, it spoils the sense of longevity of a title. Also, putting out another #1 just for the heck of it (i.e., as a gimmick to attract speculators) is just downright a waste of time! As I said before, if putting #1 on a comic will attract more consistent readers, then number them all #1! Of course, this trick wouldn't work, so they don't do it!

> > An explanatory Bubba

> I'll add to this by saying that by saying this is strictly a collector thing (I am a big time collector). We like to see the numbering continue so that it's there to remind us that there is a rich and long standing history with these characters. It's also a thrill to see your collection expand each month that passes.
> I also want to point out that Marvel should not be the only one accused of using a gimmick to boost sales. DC has decided to release its Tangent Universe the same month Heroes Return comes out. Also, they've decided to do a "Faces of DC Month" with face shots of all the characters on the covers. I particularly don't want to see Lobo picking his nose the entire third week of the month. I'd say that Marvel has DC nervous and now they are resorting to gimmicks as well.

> Patriot

Well, at least I have an explanation, now. I can't say I agree, at all, but, I guess I don't take the outside of 'em a seriously as you guys do.

Hell, some of my favorite comics are the ones I bought in the '70s at three for a quarter with no covers.

'Dox out.

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See What Happens When You Don't Keep Up! (2004)

Posted by Paradox on September 09, 1997 at 15:29:47 PDT
in reply to Re: Maybe I Know (or not)? (2002), posted by Patriot on September 09, 1997 at 15:22:24 PDT

> The one used by US Agent was made of vibranium and and given to him by Black Panther after Steve gave back the steel-gray shield. Read Cap #339-345 for details.

> Patriot.

Gotcha! Thanks.

'Dox out.

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Potty Talk (2005)

Posted by Ulti-Matt! on September 09, 1997 at 15:53:15 PDT
in reply to That's The Best Place To Read Comics! (1995), posted by Paradox on September 09, 1997 at 14:39:52 PDT

Para-undies wrote:

> Yeah, Jamie was a real [filthy character assassination deleted]. And he has a penchant for pseudonyms. It was just a case of mistaken identity.

I see you have those on this board, too. Idiots, I mean. There's a jackass on rac.marvel who'd curl your hair (if you like logical, rational thought, that is).

And then tis about Cap betting freaky with women:

> I think that about Steve and Bernie, too. Marvel has a habit of showing two people getting romantic, and then cutting to another scene, returning with a caption that says, "Sometime later. It's almost subtle.

I suppose they could show Cap washing off his johnson in the sink, but the Code people might get their collective bowels in an uproar. :')

Ulti-Matt!, who is glad for the Code, in this case

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Re: What Does It Matter? (2006)

Posted by Ulti-Matt! on September 09, 1997 at 16:04:20 PDT
in reply to What Does It Matter? (1996), posted by Paradox on September 09, 1997 at 14:49:45 PDT

Paradox writes:

> I've posted this elsewhere and no one's ever bothered to answer me. What difference does it make what number is on the cover? Isn't it what's inside that counts?

> Not raggin' on ya, guys, I really don't understand.

What's inside is what ultimately (love that word) matters, of course. A good story and sharp art will keep me coming back time and again.

Numbering on the cover matters because of a very necessary connection to the past that long-running series like this have to have. Cap has been around for a long, long time, and we all know that. We all also know how enamored of the past comic book readers are; there are some who spend huge amounts of time worrying over continuity and the like. Continuing the numbering scheme from the original series would be a solid connection to the past. Not necessarily a must-have, vitally-important connection, but a nice, solid one.

A new #1 would bring more sales. It would get the book out in front of more people, which translates into more readers.

For me, the numbers don't matter that much, just as long as Waid and Garney get back and wipe the memory of Rob's pseudo-Cap from my mind.

Ulti-Matt!, who always wipes

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Re: Cap on homosexuality (2007)

Posted by Rimes on September 09, 1997 at 16:06:21 PDT
in reply to Re: I'm not going anywhere (1985), posted by Bubba2 on September 09, 1997 at 06:42:27 PDT


> Also, there was an issue in which Cap confronted the gay issue with regards to someone he knew. IIRC, Cap basically said that he wouldn't choose the lifestyle, but he also wouldn't negatively judge someone how did.

Man oh man, Cap didn't really say that in the manner you described, did he? I'd hate to think that Cap (or, the Cap-writer who wrote it) believes gay people are choosing to be gay, choosing a gay "lifestyle," etc. One of Cap's best friends from childhood, Arnie, was gay, and was not a stereotype, if memory serves.

Rob


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Re: I'm Going to the Bathroom (Was Re: I'm not going anywhere) (2008)

Posted by Albert B. Ching on September 09, 1997 at 16:42:30 PDT
in reply to I'm Going to the Bathroom (Was Re: I'm not going anywhere) (1990), posted by Ulti-Matt! on September 09, 1997 at 13:20:05 PDT

> Damaged wrote:
> > I'm just a Captain America fan like the rest of you and just want to read and leave messages.
> Good. I'm new here, too, but welcome.
> Try to remember, some people won't share your opinions and some of those people will respond with anger. Let them be angry. And some people find offensive the notion that Cap must be gay because he isn't shown having sex. If they find that offensive, fine. Let them. Don't worry yourself.
> Just about everything a person writes has the chance of pissing off someone.
> > I didn't think that you were so fussy with punctuation.
> That's not what Albert was saying. He wasn't teasing you about your punctuation at all.
> I'm guessing there was a guy named Jamie who came here and acted like a jackass. When Batroc read your message about Cap being gay and found it offensive, he thought you might be this Jamie person in disguise. You aren't. Fine. No biggie.
> That's it. Have fun.
> (And as a side note, I think Cap and Sharon Carter got freaky a time or two.)
> Ulti-Matt!, freaky
I was talking about te jackass Jamie's punctuations. And I didn't think you were so fussy about spelling.
Albert, Weird, but not dumb

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Re: Cap on homosexuality (2009)

Posted by Batroc on September 09, 1997 at 18:39:04 PDT
in reply to Re: Cap on homosexuality (2007), posted by Rimes on September 09, 1997 at 16:06:21 PDT


> > Also, there was an issue in which Cap confronted the gay issue with regards to someone he knew. IIRC, Cap basically said that he wouldn't choose the lifestyle, but he also wouldn't negatively judge someone how did.
> Man oh man, Cap didn't really say that in the manner you described, did he? I'd hate to think that Cap (or, the Cap-writer who wrote it) believes gay people are choosing to be gay, choosing a gay "lifestyle," etc. One of Cap's best friends from childhood, Arnie, was gay, and was not a stereotype, if memory serves.
> Rob
>>> Cap #270 introduces Arnie Roth and presents his homosexuality. I don't think Cap expounds on the topic in that issue. However, he may have done so later in the Gruenwald run (Fighting Chance I think). Arnie is now deceased. Batroc

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Re: Who would've thunk it? (2010)

Posted by Starving Writer on September 09, 1997 at 19:51:03 PDT
in reply to Re: Who would've thunk it? (1971), posted by damaged on September 08, 1997 at 20:22:28 PDT

>
> > Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.)

> > Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there?

> > Starving Writer

> I WISH I COULD SEE A PICTURE OF YOUR HEAD BURNING ALL OVER THE NET...

You just might get your wish. I got FA #1 today, and all I can say is burning it is too good for that "comic."

Starving Writer who has the camera and the lightener ready, and all he needs is a place and somebody who will take the pictures.

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How Many Shields Has Captain America Had? (2011)

Posted by Tony Stark on September 10, 1997 at 06:28:46 PDT
in reply to See What Happens When You Don't Keep Up! (2004), posted by Paradox on September 09, 1997 at 15:29:47 PDT

Okay, all this talk about Cap's other shield and his other other shield has got me confused. I thought he had only two shields 1) The original shield he kept for a couple months in the 1940's and 2) The round shield by Myron McLean that Cap has used ever since. If I'm wrong can someone tell me what other shields their were, and what happened to them? Thanks.

Tony Stark

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Re: How Many Shields Has Captain America Had? (2012)

Posted by DAMAGED on September 10, 1997 at 06:53:43 PDT
in reply to How Many Shields Has Captain America Had? (2011), posted by Tony Stark on September 10, 1997 at 06:28:46 PDT


> Okay, all this talk about Cap's other shield and his other other shield has got me confused. I thought he had only two shields 1) The original shield he kept for a couple months in the 1940's and 2) The round shield by Myron McLean that Cap has used ever since. If I'm wrong can someone tell me what other shields their were, and what happened to them? Thanks.

> Tony Stark

Iv'e seen a third sheild in issue 452 (man with out a county) and it was yellow with a red ring around the outside. I don't know what happend to it.

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the red skull (2013)

Posted by DAMAGED on September 10, 1997 at 07:12:05 PDT

in issue 447* the red skull beaten up by four nazie stormtroopers. isn"t the same super-soildier-bodied skull who, unarmerd,crushed serveral trained killers a few years back?

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Re: Cap on homosexuality (2014)

Posted by Bubba2 on September 10, 1997 at 07:33:20 PDT
in reply to Re: Cap on homosexuality (2007), posted by Rimes on September 09, 1997 at 16:06:21 PDT

>
> > Also, there was an issue in which Cap confronted the gay issue with regards to someone he knew. IIRC, Cap basically said that he wouldn't choose the lifestyle, but he also wouldn't negatively judge someone how did.

> Man oh man, Cap didn't really say that in the manner you described, did he? I'd hate to think that Cap (or, the Cap-writer who wrote it) believes gay people are choosing to be gay, choosing a gay "lifestyle," etc. One of Cap's best friends from childhood, Arnie, was gay, and was not a stereotype, if memory serves.

> Rob


Rob:

As I said in my post, I'm going solely on memory here, and it is a faulty memory at that! I'm not sure how it was expounded in the actual comic, only that someone on this board some months ago explained the issue in this way (again, if I remember correctly). That's why I asked for corrections, for goodness sakes! For all I know, Cap may not have said anything like what I wrote! Don't judge Cap on my faulty memory, and please let's not start a flame war on homosexuality over my post.

Happy Birthday,

Bubba

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Re: How Many Shields Has Captain America Had? (2015)

Posted by Patriot on September 10, 1997 at 07:55:27 PDT
in reply to Re: How Many Shields Has Captain America Had? (2012), posted by DAMAGED on September 10, 1997 at 06:53:43 PDT


>
> > Okay, all this talk about Cap's other shield and his other other shield has got me confused. I thought he had only two shields 1) The original shield he kept for a couple months in the 1940's and 2) The round shield by Myron McLean that Cap has used ever since. If I'm wrong can someone tell me what other shields their were, and what happened to them? Thanks.

> > Tony Stark

> Iv'e seen a third sheild in issue 452 (man with out a county) and it was yellow with a red ring around the outside. I don't know what happend to it.

Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that Cap has had a total of 7 shields.
1. The original angular shield of his early career.
2. The indestructible shield of Mr. Mclean.
3. A magnatized steel shield given to him in his early Avengers days by Tony Stark. It could do all sorts of tricks as Cap had magnitized controls in his glove.
4. An adamantium shield given to him by Stark when he assumed the identity of the Captain. He gave it back when the two had a falling out after Armor Wars.
5. The second shield given to him as the Captain. This was constructed with vibranium by the Black Panther. This was the one given to US Agent.
6. The energy shield given to him in "Man without a country" by Sharon Carter.
7. Finally Doc Doom made a shield for him to defend himself against Machinesmith during the conclusion of "Man without a country". It was destroyed in the battle.

There might be others out there but they're probably minor instances. I count number 7 as a pretty minor instance myself.

Patriot.

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Re: the red skull (2016)

Posted by Patriot on September 10, 1997 at 08:00:21 PDT
in reply to the red skull (2013), posted by DAMAGED on September 10, 1997 at 07:12:05 PDT


> in issue 447* the red skull beaten up by four nazie stormtroopers. isn"t the same super-soildier-bodied skull who, unarmerd,crushed serveral trained killers a few years back?

Two points on this one:
1. The nazi soldires who beat him up were the cosmic cube's vision of a perfect Nazi soldiers and would have been a lot better than Watchdogs or the others he fought in his board room.
2. The super soldier formula enhances the strength, stamina and the POTENTIAL for perfect reflexes and fighting skills. Skull's hand to hand skills are not up there with Cap's nor are his acrobatics. This was obvious when he was defeated by Kingpin.

Patriot.

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Cap's Strength (2017)

Posted by Patriot on September 10, 1997 at 08:08:00 PDT

I'm confused about how much this boy can lift. I always thought that it was approx. 800-1000 lbs. However, there are a lot of entries since 87 that claim he is at maximum human strength and can press almost 1 ton. The RPG changed his strength to 1 ton as well at the same time. When he was the Captain, he did some pretty remarkable stuff. He ripped off machinery parts, picked up really heavy looking objects, and ripped open jail bars. Did his strength increase along the way?
Maybe no one knows what I'm talking about but I thought I'd ask anyway.

Patriot

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Re: Cap's Strength (2018)

Posted by Bubba2 on September 10, 1997 at 10:19:01 PDT
in reply to Cap's Strength (2017), posted by Patriot on September 10, 1997 at 08:08:00 PDT

> I'm confused about how much this boy can lift. I always thought that it was approx. 800-1000 lbs. However, there are a lot of entries since 87 that claim he is at maximum human strength and can press almost 1 ton. The RPG changed his strength to 1 ton as well at the same time. When he was the Captain, he did some pretty remarkable stuff. He ripped off machinery parts, picked up really heavy looking objects, and ripped open jail bars. Did his strength increase along the way?
> Maybe no one knows what I'm talking about but I thought I'd ask anyway.

> Patriot

Well, basically Cap is as strong as the person writing him wants him to be! I believe, however, that the original idea was that the Super Soldier Serum (TM) was meant to bring Steve Rogers to peak human capacity in all areas. I'm not sure what peak human strength would be, but I would think that that would mean that Cap was pretty strong (at least stronger than Batman, but probably not as strong as Spider-Man). I know this really doesn't answer the question, but it's all I know about Cap's strength!

A weakling Bubba


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Re: Cap's Strength (2019)

Posted by Doc Pym on September 10, 1997 at 12:40:47 PDT
in reply to Re: Cap's Strength (2018), posted by Bubba2 on September 10, 1997 at 10:19:01 PDT

I think he should have max of 800 maybe 1000 but no more or he's mutant. it was approx. 800-1000 lbs. However, there are a lot of entries since 87 that claim he is at maximum human strength and can press almost 1 ton. The RPG changed his strength to 1 ton as well at the same time. When he was the Captain, he did some pretty remarkable stuff. He ripped off machinery parts, picked up really heavy looking objects, and ripped open jail bars. Did his strength increase along the way?
> > Maybe no one knows what I'm talking about but I thought I'd ask anyway.
> > Patriot
> Well, basically Cap is as strong as the person writing him wants him to be! I believe, however, that the original idea was that the Super Soldier Serum (TM) was meant to bring Steve Rogers to peak human capacity in all areas. I'm not sure what peak human strength would be, but I would think that that would mean that Cap was pretty strong (at least stronger than Batman, but probably not as strong as Spider-Man). I know this really doesn't answer the question, but it's all I know about Cap's strength!
> A weakling Bubba

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Re: Cap's Strength (2020)

Posted by Patriot on September 10, 1997 at 13:43:44 PDT
in reply to Re: Cap's Strength (2019), posted by Doc Pym on September 10, 1997 at 12:40:47 PDT


> I think he should have max of 800 maybe 1000 but no more or he's mutant. it was approx. 800-1000 lbs. However, there are a lot of entries since 87 that claim he is at maximum human strength and can press almost 1 ton. The RPG changed his strength to 1 ton as well at the same time. When he was the Captain, he did some pretty remarkable stuff. He ripped off machinery parts, picked up really heavy looking objects, and ripped open jail bars. Did his strength increase along the way?
> > > Maybe no one knows what I'm talking about but I thought I'd ask anyway.
> > > Patriot
> > Well, basically Cap is as strong as the person writing him wants him to be! I believe, however, that the original idea was that the Super Soldier Serum (TM) was meant to bring Steve Rogers to peak human capacity in all areas. I'm not sure what peak human strength would be, but I would think that that would mean that Cap was pretty strong (at least stronger than Batman, but probably not as strong as Spider-Man). I know this really doesn't answer the question, but it's all I know about Cap's strength!
> > A weakling Bubba

Technically Dr Pym, Cap would be a mutate as the serum mutaded his system much like the radioactive spider or cosmic rays. A mutant is born with the mutation (X) factor.

Patriot.

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Who Is Captain America? (2021)

Posted by Tony Stark on September 11, 1997 at 06:23:06 PDT

Captain America is suppossed to be this paragon of virtue. Some people have portrayed him as naive and with no vices. But he's human, and humans can't be perfect all the time. I know Cap has had sex (with women for those of you who need to be told), and he does play poker (he still owes the Thing money). He's also been know to swear (nothing harsher then "damn" and "hell"), and to jump to conclusion's about people (but he always corrects himself if his wrong). Cap is from the '40's, and is still a product of his time, but from his year in the latter half of the century, some newer thing have rubbed off of him. He likes big band, but I can see him listening to some pop from nowadays. He's a huge fan of the old b&w films, but I can see him catching the latest action/adventure, and drama. I don't know if he watches westrens or war films (i highly doubt it), but I can't see him watching horror or sci-fi. He likes muscials, the older as well as the newer one like Andrew Lloydd Webber. He doesn't drink too often (maybe never), and he rarely (if ever) smokes. He's a simple, all American boy who likes a game of baseball (maybe basketball, but not football or hockey). He's more prone to have a hamburger and fries, with applea pie and vanilla ice cream for dessert, then go to an expensive restaurnat. I wonder if he ever goes through Burger King or any other fast food restaurant? He likes t.v., and seems to be a fan of Friends. I think he might even watch the occasional X-Files.
He has had enough experience with women and enough respect for them, not to treat them like he would have in the '40's. Though at times his thinking may be a little old fashioned, he is also a man of the '90's.
He's a family man, with belief in family values, but not to the point where they discrimnate. He's Christian (what branch I don't know, probally protestant), but doesn't think his religion is better then anyone else's. In other words, he believes in people living in whatever way they want, as long as it doesn't break the law. He might not necessarily agree, but he won't tell a person how to live. He feels to do so is un-American and tramples on the vary ideas America was founded on.
Oh he's loyal to this country and her ideas (may not always agree with the politician's, but I can't see him loosing faith in Americ and her people). He believes others should have the same freedoms and rights we do(he has had first hand experience with those who don't), and will fight the enemies of freedom and libery whether they threaten America, anothe country, or the world. Because that's what being American is: fighting to keep what we take for granted, and giving it to those who have never tasted freedom. And the only thing that will stop him from reaching his goal (the one he was made for) is death. And he doesn't fear death, he charges death, challenges death. And death always backs down cause death can not defeat someone as confident, as proud, as noble, as loving as this one man.
And that's who Captain America is to me.

Tony Stark

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Re: Who Is Captain America? (2022)

Posted by Bubba2 on September 11, 1997 at 06:37:47 PDT
in reply to Who Is Captain America? (2021), posted by Tony Stark on September 11, 1997 at 06:23:06 PDT

Tony Stark, the invincible Iron Man, did pontificate:

> Captain America is suppossed to be this paragon of virtue. Some people have portrayed him as naive and with no vices. But he's human, and humans can't be perfect all the time.
[some snippage]
He likes t.v., and seems to be a fan of Friends. I think he might even watch the occasional X-Files. ^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^
Egads, man, that would make Steve Rogers a lover of insipid and meaningless entertainment! Hardly the kind of person who enjoys musicals and Andrew Lloyd Webber! I thought you said that he was a virtuous man!

> And that's who Captain America is to me.

> Tony Stark

A tongue in cheek Bubba

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Re: Who Is Captain America? (Long Post) (2023)

Posted by Patriot on September 11, 1997 at 07:22:32 PDT
in reply to Who Is Captain America? (2021), posted by Tony Stark on September 11, 1997 at 06:23:06 PDT


> Captain America is suppossed to be this paragon of virtue. Some people have portrayed him as naive and with no vices. But he's human, and humans can't be perfect all the time. I know Cap has had sex (with women for those of you who need to be told), and he does play poker (he still owes the Thing money). He's also been know to swear (nothing harsher then "damn" and "hell"), and to jump to conclusion's about people (but he always corrects himself if his wrong). Cap is from the '40's, and is still a product of his time, but from his year in the latter half of the century, some newer thing have rubbed off of him. He likes big band, but I can see him listening to some pop from nowadays. He's a huge fan of the old b&w films, but I can see him catching the latest action/adventure, and drama. I don't know if he watches westrens or war films (i highly doubt it), but I can't see him watching horror or sci-fi. He likes muscials, the older as well as the newer one like Andrew Lloydd Webber. He doesn't drink too often (maybe never), and he rarely (if ever) smokes. He's a simple, all American boy who likes a game of baseball (maybe basketball, but not football or hockey). He's more prone to have a hamburger and fries, with applea pie and vanilla ice cream for dessert, then go to an expensive restaurnat. I wonder if he ever goes through Burger King or any other fast food restaurant? He likes t.v., and seems to be a fan of Friends. I think he might even watch the occasional X-Files.
> He has had enough experience with women and enough respect for them, not to treat them like he would have in the '40's. Though at times his thinking may be a little old fashioned, he is also a man of the '90's.
> He's a family man, with belief in family values, but not to the point where they discrimnate. He's Christian (what branch I don't know, probally protestant), but doesn't think his religion is better then anyone else's. In other words, he believes in people living in whatever way they want, as long as it doesn't break the law. He might not necessarily agree, but he won't tell a person how to live. He feels to do so is un-American and tramples on the vary ideas America was founded on.
> Oh he's loyal to this country and her ideas (may not always agree with the politician's, but I can't see him loosing faith in Americ and her people). He believes others should have the same freedoms and rights we do(he has had first hand experience with those who don't), and will fight the enemies of freedom and libery whether they threaten America, anothe country, or the world. Because that's what being American is: fighting to keep what we take for granted, and giving it to those who have never tasted freedom. And the only thing that will stop him from reaching his goal (the one he was made for) is death. And he doesn't fear death, he charges death, challenges death. And death always backs down cause death can not defeat someone as confident, as proud, as noble, as loving as this one man.
> And that's who Captain America is to me.

> Tony Stark

I think you're in for a treat Tony. Waid is going to delve into those aspects you've described and more.
You mentioned his personal lifestyle but in a recent Wizard interview, Waid talks about Cap as a hero as well. He states that not only is Cap a soldier, but he'd be the four star general of any combat. He gives orders and doesn't take too many (Although he would listen to defering opinions from others like any good general would). He is the ultimate fighter and has an unparalleled noble spirit.
I thought I'd let people know Mr Waid's opinions on the subject as well.

Patriot.

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I AM VINDICATED. (Cap #12 spoilers) (2024)

Posted by Patriot on September 11, 1997 at 08:18:01 PDT

Cap's shield withstands a direct hit from Galactus!! There's no way he was holding back as he had just been betrayed by the Surfer. Not only that, but the shield is the only thing left after the devistation of the ultimate nullifier. This helps to prove my theory that the shield is nearly indestructable exept for the most cosmic of beings (Beyonder, Infinity Gems, etc). Please notice I said "This HELPS to prove" my theory and that I know facts from the HR universe are scetchy (there's been a debate over Firelord killing Hulk going on for days at the Hulk board) but it was nice to see the shield once again prevail through adversity. I believe it would take something imensely powerful to destroy this icon due to its history so far and that Magneto wouldn't have a chance of damaging it. It's nice to see Jim Lee agrees with me. I say Jim Lee as he was ultimately in charge and that traitorous Loeb only wrote it.
I couldn't help but notice that Loeb spent more time dwelling on Liefeld's Bucky than Marvel's Cap. In fact, Cap was a secondary character in his own book. I think it was big time conflict of interest having Loeb write that issue. Just my two cents.

Patriot.

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Re: Cap's Strength (2025)

Posted by Flagsmasher on September 11, 1997 at 21:37:51 PDT
in reply to Cap's Strength (2017), posted by Patriot on September 10, 1997 at 08:08:00 PDT

> I'm confused about how much this boy can lift. I always thought that it was approx. 800-1000 lbs. However, there are a lot of entries since 87 that claim he is at maximum human strength and can press almost 1 ton. The RPG changed his strength to 1 ton as well at the same time. When he was the Captain, he did some pretty remarkable stuff. He ripped off machinery parts, picked up really heavy looking objects, and ripped open jail bars. Did his strength increase along the way?
> Maybe no one knows what I'm talking about but I thought I'd ask anyway.

> Patriot

I also remember it being stated that John Walker was 10x stronger than Cap(during the replacement cap saga), and Walker can press 10 ton's. Mark Gruenwald's depicted cap in the one ton strength range.

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Cap's Strength (2026)

Posted by Doc Pym on September 12, 1997 at 10:35:29 PDT

One ton seems like super strength to me, instead of human max

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Re: Cap's Strength (2027)

Posted by Bubba2 on September 12, 1997 at 14:33:45 PDT
in reply to Cap's Strength (2026), posted by Doc Pym on September 12, 1997 at 10:35:29 PDT

> One ton seems like super strength to me, instead of human max

Doc, I agree with you on this one. It seems to me that Cap's limit should end somewhere in the 700's or so (and THAT'S benchpress!). Now, I don't know what Cap's real limits are, but I don't think he can lift trucks or tanks. He might be able to toss people around pretty easy, but I don't see him regularly breaking chains and bending jail bars, if you know what I mean.

A skeptical Bubba


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Re: the red skull (2028)

Posted by The Real Red Skull on September 13, 1997 at 05:18:43 PDT
in reply to Re: the red skull (2016), posted by Patriot on September 10, 1997 at 08:00:21 PDT


>
> > in issue 447* the red skull beaten up by four nazie stormtroopers. isn"t the same super-soildier-bodied skull who, unarmerd,crushed serveral trained killers a few years back?

> Two points on this one:
> 1. The nazi soldires who beat him up were the cosmic cube's vision of a perfect Nazi soldiers and would have been a lot better than Watchdogs or the others he fought in his board room.
> 2. The super soldier formula enhances the strength, stamina and the POTENTIAL for perfect reflexes and fighting skills. Skull's hand to hand skills are not up there with Cap's nor are his acrobatics. This was obvious when he was defeated by Kingpin.

> Patriot.
>

Also if I recall the stormtroopers had super-dooper fusion cannons, whips, personal armour etc. But don't forget the Skull has Cap's cloned body, probably just as high a level of tolerance to pain etc. and would use some dirty tricks Cap would never use (there are lots of evil 'killing techniques', gouges, pressure points etc. the skull knows). Also don't forget that crossbones went from a normal human agent into such a highly charged phisique that Daredevil couldn't 'read' his movements (in Streets of Poison). Also don't forget one of the Kingpin's major advantages in melee has always been people underestimating him, just becasue he is so fat. Someone that big who can fight definately has a BIG advantage over someone 'normal' sizde with the same level of skill.

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Captain America 2099 UG (2029)

Posted by ~Halloween Jack~ on September 13, 1997 at 11:33:12 PDT

All:

Many of you may have, at one time or another, stumbled over the Message Board of the 2099 UG. Well, if you have, I now invite you, for I think we may have something that you will all be interested in.

It's the series of stories coming out in our 2099 UG UNLIMITED, simply known as Captain America 2099 UG "The Legacy." Right now, the second installment, of four, is out at the 2099 UG UNLIMITED, and you can get ahold of the first part by simply contacting me. "The Legacy, Pt. 3" will be out soon, with the 2099 UG UNLIMITED # 3, and will also feature a back-issue section, where you can get copies of America....(don't call him Cap! *grin*)

The Captain, as he is sometimes called, may be receiving his own title after his run in the UNLIMITED, and you can be sure to catch him in the upcoming 2099 UG title. . .The Avengers 2099 UG!!! Don't worry, it's not a carbon-copy, for America is the only character in the title to have a present day Marvel counter-part....not to say that it will stay that way! So, if you're intersted, just let me know, and I can help you subscribe, it's free of course, to the 2099 UG, and you can enjoy the various other titles!!! See ya'!

~HJ~

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Old Cap Poll/New Cap Poll (2030)

Posted by Dave Medinnus on September 13, 1997 at 15:59:01 PDT

The old Cap poll "Who is your favorite Cap artist" is done, and the new poll "What should happen to the HR Bucky" is up! Come participate!

-DM

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Re: Old Cap Poll/New Cap Poll (2031)

Posted by Doc Pym on September 13, 1997 at 17:34:57 PDT
in reply to Old Cap Poll/New Cap Poll (2030), posted by Dave Medinnus on September 13, 1997 at 15:59:01 PDT

> The old Cap poll "Who is your favorite Cap artist" is done, and the new poll "What should happen to the HR Bucky" is up! Come participate!
Well, I always like Cap's other partners Nomad, Falcon, and even D-Man. If Waid is writing I might enjoy a kid partner. MIGHT!

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Re: I AM VINDICATED. (Cap #12 spoilers) (2032)

Posted by Batroc on September 13, 1997 at 19:33:27 PDT
in reply to I AM VINDICATED. (Cap #12 spoilers) (2024), posted by Patriot on September 11, 1997 at 08:18:01 PDT

> Cap's shield withstands a direct hit from Galactus!! There's no way he was holding back as he had just been betrayed by the Surfer. Not only that, but the shield is the only thing left after the devistation of the ultimate nullifier. This helps to prove my theory that the shield is nearly indestructable exept for the most cosmic of beings (Beyonder, Infinity Gems, etc). Please notice I said "This HELPS to prove" my theory and that I know facts from the HR universe are scetchy (there's been a debate over Firelord killing Hulk going on for days at the Hulk board) but it was nice to see the shield once again prevail through adversity. I believe it would take something imensely powerful to destroy this icon due to its history so far and that Magneto wouldn't have a chance of damaging it. It's nice to see Jim Lee agrees with me. I say Jim Lee as he was ultimately in charge and that traitorous Loeb only wrote it.
> I couldn't help but notice that Loeb spent more time dwelling on Liefeld's Bucky than Marvel's Cap. In fact, Cap was a secondary character in his own book. I think it was big time conflict of interest having Loeb write that issue. Just my two cents.
> Patriot.
>>>> The enigmatic Shield survives. I wonder if the Surfer being fortified with the nullifier helped retard the effects of Galsctus' assault?
Now, the Shield's resilence along with its compactness would probably make it suseptible to being hurled from Galactus' implosion. Heck, maybe the Surfer's board is in the river.
The Shield has come a long way from being described as mere "steel" in Avengers (vol. 1) #8.
I still remember the Molecule Man destroying it in an Avenger Story.
,,,,,The Leaper who longs for clarity and logic

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Talking about Cap's shield? (2033)

Posted by Doc Pym on September 13, 1997 at 20:23:05 PDT

This situation has always annoyed me a bit. In a old New Mutants issue by Claremont. The Avengers attack Magneto at the Mass. Academy (issue40?) Anyway it was pretty awesome, but Magneto couldnt conrol Cap's shield with his magnetism due to its unique properties. Well in one of the Cap issues he fights a robotic Magneto built by the Machinesmith, well the robot imposter easily magnetizes the shield? Whats up with that. I'm sure magnetism doesnt affect the shield but just in case does anyone know? Thanks Doc Pym

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Re: Talking about Cap's shield? (2034)

Posted by Batroc on September 14, 1997 at 06:39:43 PDT
in reply to Talking about Cap's shield? (2033), posted by Doc Pym on September 13, 1997 at 20:23:05 PDT

> This situation has always annoyed me a bit. In a old New Mutants issue by Claremont. The Avengers attack Magneto at the Mass. Academy (issue40?) Anyway it was pretty awesome, but Magneto couldnt conrol Cap's shield with his magnetism due to its unique properties. Well in one of the Cap issues he fights a robotic Magneto built by the Machinesmith, well the robot imposter easily magnetizes the shield? Whats up with that. I'm sure magnetism doesnt affect the shield but just in case does anyone know? Thanks Doc Pym
>>>> Magneto hurled it around in an issue of Super-Villian Team-up along with Mjolnir. I don't think Maggy can manipulate Mjolnir with it's Norse Magic.
The Shield is capricous. Maybe the Heroe's Return Universe will have an answer?? Batroc the Leaper

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Cap thread on FF board (2035)

Posted by Rimes on September 14, 1997 at 11:20:45 PDT

Just a note that there is a thread about the new issue of Cap on Alan's Fantastic Four message board. You can get to the board by
clicking here.

rob

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Re: Old Cap Poll/New Cap Poll (2036)

Posted by Ulti-Matt! on September 14, 1997 at 20:17:10 PDT
in reply to Old Cap Poll/New Cap Poll (2030), posted by Dave Medinnus on September 13, 1997 at 15:59:01 PDT

> The old Cap poll "Who is your favorite Cap artist" is done, and the new poll "What should happen to the HR Bucky" is up! Come participate!

Your server was screwed up, so I couldn't weigh in.

I'll try again later.

Ulti-Matt!, screwed

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